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To: bondserv
"Jesus must have been wrong when speaking on Adam and Eve."

Not at all.

There is no logic that dictates the the "beginning" of our human race was the same "beginning" of Gen 1:1.

It is sort of amazing to me how many people who chafe at the Godless doctrine of evolution will then turn their backs on any scripture that gives a perfect explanation for pre-Adamic man.

387 posted on 01/03/2005 6:33:53 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: nightdriver
It is sort of amazing to me how many people who chafe at the Godless doctrine of evolution

It is astounding to me that so many people falsely, and knowingly, equate evolution with godlessness. Such fear and panic is a window into their mind - or rather, echoes their fear and panic at having to use their own minds.

388 posted on 01/03/2005 6:40:05 PM PST by balrog666 (I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.)
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To: nightdriver
I am very comfortable with the idea that a straightforward reading is the safest bet. Most doctrinal errors throughout the centuries have been as a result of twisting the straightforward meaning of the text.

You are aware that the scripture doesn't detail a pre-Adamic race, however the genealogy of Adam is strewn throughout scripture.

Also the Holy Spirit was careful in the wording He inspired:

Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.

We have a few contextual restraints:

1. Adam lived a specific number of years and died -- doesn't sound mythological.

2. God created one of each of the living creatures out of the ground for Adam to name -- The beginning requires naming of animals.

3. It wasn't good for Adam to be alone -- meaning there were no other people in existence, hence the creation of Eve.

4. The Bible always treats Adam as the first man -- Consistent with all of scripture, Paul makes it crystal clear for us in:

1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.

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1Cr 15:47 The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven.

5. If death occurred prior to Adam's disobedience, then the cross is irrelevant as a remedy for sin.

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

One would have to go against a mountain of scripture to tweak the facts to discount Adam as a real man at the beginning of the creation of our universe. Many Christians are afraid to discount the Word of God in favor of ever changing scientific thought. Especially theories that differ from a common sense view of reality.

397 posted on 01/03/2005 7:12:18 PM PST by bondserv (Sincerity with God is the most powerful instigator for change! † [Check out my profile page])
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