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Religion in the Classroom {Southern Baptist Discontent with Public Schools}
Lubbock, TX, Avalanche-Journal ^ | 01-01-05 | Mansfield, Duncan, AP

Posted on 01/01/2005 7:47:36 AM PST by Theodore R.

Religion in the Classroom By DUNCAN MANSFIELD Associated Press

SEVIERVILLE, Tenn. — Frustration with public education seems to be growing among the nation's Southern Baptists, with supporters of Christian schools and home schooling arguing that if God is absent from the classroom then their children should leave, too.

"What has happened is not so much that the Christians are leaving the public schools as that the public schools have left the Christians," advocate Ed Gamble said.

Gamble is executive director of the Southern Baptist Association of Christian Schools, an Orlando, Fla.-based group that supports the more than 600 Southern Baptist schools created in the past eight years.

"As the public schools have become increasingly secular and increasingly intolerant of things Christian, people who are openly Christian have said, 'I guess they are not part of our team anymore,' " Gamble said.

The number of conservative Christian schools grew by nearly 11 percent between 1999-2000 and 2001-2002, to 5,527, according to the U.S. Department of Education's latest statistics.

At that rate, Christian schools are growing faster than private schools as a whole, and they have increased their share to nearly 1 in 5 private schools in the country.

Last year, a resolution proposed at the national meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention — which guides the nation's largest Protestant denomination — urged parents to withdraw their children from "officially Godless" "government schools" in favor of religious education.

While the measure was rejected, interest in faith-based schools has continued to spread among Baptists at the state level, particularly in Tennessee, Missouri, Florida, South Carolina, Illinois, Texas, Virginia, North Carolina, California and New England, according to Exodus Mandate, a Columbia, S.C., group that promotes private, Christian and home-school education.

A recent resolution promoting Christian schooling easily passed the Missouri Baptist Convention but was quashed in committee at the Tennessee Baptist Convention meeting in Sevierville last month.

The Missouri resolution talked about the "inherent dangers of secular educational philosophies that now permeates America's public education system" and affirmed "the importance of systematically training ourselves and our children in the ways of authentic, biblical Christianity."

"What we are saying is that God has given us some very specific commands that we are to train our children in the ways of the Lord, not in the ways of the world," said the Rev. Roger Moran, of Troy, Mo., the resolution's author and a member of the Southern Baptist Convention's executive committee.

That means teaching creationism over evolution, that life begins at conception, and that homosexuality is immoral, as is sex outside of marriage.

But it is more.

Glen Schultz heads the Baptists' LifeWay curriculum program for church-based schools and home schoolers.

"It hits everything, when you realize the reality of life is (that) life was created by God and the entire universe is his creation," Schultz said. "Therefore, everything has meaning and reflection on his nature, whether it is math or history or science. Two plus two equals four because God created them that way."

The Tennessee resolution came one step short of asking Baptist parents to pull their children from public schools.

"I wanted to be positive in promoting Christian education," said the Rev. Larry Reagan of Dresden, who wrote the measure. "I didn't want the resolution to be portrayed as attacking public education."

But the Rev. Mike Boyd of Knoxville, outgoing president of the 1 million-member Tennessee Baptist Convention, worried about the divisiveness of the issue. And the Rev. Grover Westover of Whiteville, chairman of the resolutions committee, said, "It was not wise, is all I am saying."

He said Reagan's resolution would have promoted more "Kingdom education" schools following LifeWay's lead.

Schultz said the program has reached some 150 churches since 1996.

"We encourage our members to pray for this ministry, and we encourage the promotion of an adequate system of Christian schools," Reagan said.

Boyd agreed there were "some serious issues in the public schools" to resolve but said the focus should be on supporting the teachers working in them, including many Baptists, and parents.

"Historically, Baptists have been pretty staunch supporters of the public school system, and they still are," said Gamble, who was not surprised to see the convention resolutions fail.

"But this is a bottom-up movement, as it is a bottom-up denomination. This is not a movement that is being led so much by pastors as it is being led by moms and dads who are frustrated.

"And some day, I don't know how long it will be, most of the kids will be educated in Southern Baptist schools or in their homes."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: baptists; christianschools; churchandstate; education; fasttrack; glenschultz; groverwestover; larryreagan; mikeboyd; publicschools; religion; sbc
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To: Mark Felton

Very well stated!


61 posted on 01/01/2005 1:41:02 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: bozack
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62 posted on 01/01/2005 1:47:09 PM PST by borntobeagle
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To: bozack

Thank you for your candor...I've been less courteous to you than you've been toward me. I apologize.
I will, if you'll bear with me, answer your question as to what will happen to groups "other than" Christians who want to inject their philosophies into this Christian nation.
The answer is found in the Book of Acts, chapter 5, verses 38 and 39.
It's the reply of Gamaliel, a doctor of the law in Jesus' day, to the Jewish Counsel who were worried about the spread of Christianity.
The verses read:(paraphrasing for clarity)
And now I say unto you, (the Jewish Counsel), refrain from these men,(the Christians) and let them alone: for if this work be of men, it will come to nought.
But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it: lest ye be found to fight even against God.
I submit this for your appraisal.


63 posted on 01/01/2005 1:59:41 PM PST by yer gonna put yer eye out (Get'in a PhD in my jammies...make voter fraud a FELONY)
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To: mariabush

"They do and have for a very long time."

Understandable, and true. My point to this, however, is that if this type of promotion of pulling away from Public Education is going to be offered as alternatives, private Christian schools need to be affordable to those who really do need it, and some curricula would be great for those who can homeschool.

Currently most Religon based private schools are financially unobtainable, especially for one income families. There are financial aid cases each school in our area offer, but my children will graduate before making the acceptance list.

Personally, I am a homeschooling Mother of 3. That is why I can base my opinion that not everyone is capable of homeschooling. It's hard work, we've sacrificed financially, and it can become BEYOND stressful at some times.

I would certainly love the assistance of the Church, as my school expenses come straight out of our pockets, with no tax break of any kind, and we still have to pay for the PS's failing school system.


64 posted on 01/01/2005 2:04:21 PM PST by borntobeagle
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To: bozack
Public schools are a propaganda device. The teachers unions use them for political purposes. All teaching has inherit values/morals. Even to not teach values/morals of any kind is a statement of values/morals. Yes Christians are angry because the propaganda is used against them. I also am skeptical of evolution but would not force my view on the kids of others. To tell the truth the government should not use it at all. Government takes your money and teaches your kids what to think regardless of what the parents want is evil. No matter what is taught.
65 posted on 01/01/2005 2:05:26 PM PST by lbmorris11 (America defeating terrorism and Liberalism)
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To: RadioAstronomer

"A circule is not an ellispe!" Memorial Crackpot Placemarker


66 posted on 01/01/2005 2:11:02 PM PST by longshadow
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To: lbmorris11

"Government takes your money and teaches your kids what to think regardless of what the parents want is evil. No matter what is taught."

If the schools could get back to the basics, and leave the parenting to parents, we'd all benefit.

Will that happen? No way.

Want to see the PTA's recent involvement with the PS's and Homosexuality? Talk about teaching kids what to think....

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/10/72004a.asp


67 posted on 01/01/2005 2:15:53 PM PST by borntobeagle
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To: Mark Felton

Damn well said...


68 posted on 01/01/2005 2:20:50 PM PST by yer gonna put yer eye out (Get'in a PhD in my jammies...make voter fraud a FELONY)
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To: borntobeagle

"Homeschooling is not an option for everyone."

Unfortuately that's true...
Any number of parents have been subjected to a public school education and aren't qualified, (even if they were motivated), to teach anyone anything...


69 posted on 01/01/2005 2:27:00 PM PST by yer gonna put yer eye out (Get'in a PhD in my jammies...make voter fraud a FELONY)
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To: ddantas

My complaint is that I hear too many stories of the public school being forbidden from acknowledging the place of God in our Western culture and laws. And the apparent banishment of the discussion of right and wrong and absolute standards.

The only message left is 'do your thing'. It has only been in the last few years that I've come to realize this philosophy directly leads to 'right makes right'.

-- Joe

P.S. The acceptance of homosexuality and callous disregard for the health risks of any kind of promiscuity are aother good reasons to be wary of public schools


70 posted on 01/01/2005 2:34:10 PM PST by Joe Republc
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To: mariabush
I can tell you from personal experience that you are quite wrong to assume that the only children that are in private Christian schools or are home schooled are wealthy.

Roger that, my parents sacrificed much to homeschool my sister and I (long before it became popular). The trick was to befriend an administrator in a public school system--they receive heaps of free sample textbooks (including oh-so-precious teacher's guides) from companies that want them to buy the books for the school systems. The samples typically get tossed, unless passed on to the afore-mentioned homeschool family. Saved tons of money on books that way...
71 posted on 01/01/2005 3:38:38 PM PST by ddantas
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To: valkyrieanne
Regarding the teaching of evolution, we don't believe in "young earth creationism." We believe God created the universe and guided human development (so that man has an immortal soul in the image of God), but we believe that happened by "intelligent design," so that the evolutionary process was *used* by God to produce the effect (man & his immortal soul.)

Your kids will find a receptive audience for "intelligent design" arguments as they grow older. I recently attended a lecture a few weeks ago by Michael Behe, which was broadly attended by faculty and graduate students. Everyone was pretty much convinced that it's "real science" because it's "falsifiable," that is, able to be proven false. The primary argument raised against ID is that it seems like too quickly giving up on evolution--evolutionary theory has no current answers to the creation of "irreducible systems", but that doesn't mean it won't in the future. But in any case, it was a great lecture. If you live near the NJ/PA area, you should try to see him.
72 posted on 01/01/2005 3:47:16 PM PST by ddantas
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To: valkyrieanne
Is it that big a deal, though, if a child takes the ACT/SAT in a public high school?

No. LOL! I was just responding to what someone else said about their kid never setting foot in a public school. LOL!

73 posted on 01/01/2005 4:02:03 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Theodore R.
Glen Schultz heads the Baptists' LifeWay curriculum program for church-based schools and home schoolers. "It hits everything, when you realize the reality of life is (that) life was created by God and the entire universe is his creation," Schultz said. "Therefore, everything has meaning and reflection on his nature, whether it is math or history or science. Two plus two equals four because God created them that way."

Amen brother.

74 posted on 01/01/2005 4:26:44 PM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: ddantas
My extended family are Spanish Catholics who are completely tolerant to me now but generations ago would have been trying to torture or kill me for my beliefs.

Really?

75 posted on 01/01/2005 4:34:43 PM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
Really?

Looking back at my post in hindsight--yes--I suppose it would require time travel of some sort to have my extended family kill me many generations ago...
76 posted on 01/01/2005 4:45:54 PM PST by ddantas (my grandfather was an illegal immigrant from Spain)
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To: RadioAstronomer
As always your pride and vanity enables you to remain blind. You have an uncanny ability to focus on anything BUT the point of what people are telling you - spelling etc.. I hope this year you finally get it! Happy New Year!
77 posted on 01/01/2005 5:07:11 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: borntobeagle
All of our children are one income families. There is just a lot of sacrafice. For years the one with 5 children lived in small house in a not too nice neighborhood.

The Lord has really blessed their faithfulness and now are able to have much more.

Two of our children went to a private Southern Baptist school on a partial scholarship. You can have it all.
78 posted on 01/01/2005 5:17:24 PM PST by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: nmh
Happy New Year!

Happy New Year to you as well! :-)

79 posted on 01/01/2005 9:12:54 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: cyborg
Well, it's better than it used to be. At least now they are really starting the schools for religious purposes, rather than as a cover for racism.

For a time, all the "Christian" schools were really created so the little white children wouldn't have to go to school with the little black children.

80 posted on 01/01/2005 10:16:13 PM PST by Amelia
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