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Religion in the Classroom {Southern Baptist Discontent with Public Schools}
Lubbock, TX, Avalanche-Journal ^
| 01-01-05
| Mansfield, Duncan, AP
Posted on 01/01/2005 7:47:36 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Mark Felton
To: bozack
Bozack, welcome to FR.
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To: bozack
Thank you for your candor...I've been less courteous to you than you've been toward me. I apologize.
I will, if you'll bear with me, answer your question as to what will happen to groups "other than" Christians who want to inject their philosophies into this Christian nation.
The answer is found in the Book of Acts, chapter 5, verses 38 and 39.
It's the reply of Gamaliel, a doctor of the law in Jesus' day, to the Jewish Counsel who were worried about the spread of Christianity.
The verses read:(paraphrasing for clarity)
And now I say unto you, (the Jewish Counsel), refrain from these men,(the Christians) and let them alone: for if this work be of men, it will come to nought.
But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it: lest ye be found to fight even against God.
I submit this for your appraisal.
To: mariabush
"They do and have for a very long time."
Understandable, and true. My point to this, however, is that if this type of promotion of pulling away from Public Education is going to be offered as alternatives, private Christian schools need to be affordable to those who really do need it, and some curricula would be great for those who can homeschool.
Currently most Religon based private schools are financially unobtainable, especially for one income families. There are financial aid cases each school in our area offer, but my children will graduate before making the acceptance list.
Personally, I am a homeschooling Mother of 3. That is why I can base my opinion that not everyone is capable of homeschooling. It's hard work, we've sacrificed financially, and it can become BEYOND stressful at some times.
I would certainly love the assistance of the Church, as my school expenses come straight out of our pockets, with no tax break of any kind, and we still have to pay for the PS's failing school system.
To: bozack
Public schools are a propaganda device. The teachers unions use them for political purposes. All teaching has inherit values/morals. Even to not teach values/morals of any kind is a statement of values/morals. Yes Christians are angry because the propaganda is used against them. I also am skeptical of evolution but would not force my view on the kids of others. To tell the truth the government should not use it at all. Government takes your money and teaches your kids what to think regardless of what the parents want is evil. No matter what is taught.
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posted on
01/01/2005 2:05:26 PM PST
by
lbmorris11
(America defeating terrorism and Liberalism)
To: RadioAstronomer
"A circule is not an ellispe!" Memorial Crackpot Placemarker
To: lbmorris11
"Government takes your money and teaches your kids what to think regardless of what the parents want is evil. No matter what is taught."
If the schools could get back to the basics, and leave the parenting to parents, we'd all benefit.
Will that happen? No way.
Want to see the PTA's recent involvement with the PS's and Homosexuality? Talk about teaching kids what to think....
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/10/72004a.asp
To: Mark Felton
To: borntobeagle
"Homeschooling is not an option for everyone."
Unfortuately that's true...
Any number of parents have been subjected to a public school education and aren't qualified, (even if they were motivated), to teach anyone anything...
To: ddantas
My complaint is that I hear too many stories of the public school being forbidden from acknowledging the place of God in our Western culture and laws. And the apparent banishment of the discussion of right and wrong and absolute standards.
The only message left is 'do your thing'. It has only been in the last few years that I've come to realize this philosophy directly leads to 'right makes right'.
-- Joe
P.S. The acceptance of homosexuality and callous disregard for the health risks of any kind of promiscuity are aother good reasons to be wary of public schools
To: mariabush
I can tell you from personal experience that you are quite wrong to assume that the only children that are in private Christian schools or are home schooled are wealthy.
Roger that, my parents sacrificed much to homeschool my sister and I (long before it became popular). The trick was to befriend an administrator in a public school system--they receive heaps of free sample textbooks (including oh-so-precious teacher's guides) from companies that want them to buy the books for the school systems. The samples typically get tossed, unless passed on to the afore-mentioned homeschool family. Saved tons of money on books that way...
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posted on
01/01/2005 3:38:38 PM PST
by
ddantas
To: valkyrieanne
Regarding the teaching of evolution, we don't believe in "young earth creationism." We believe God created the universe and guided human development (so that man has an immortal soul in the image of God), but we believe that happened by "intelligent design," so that the evolutionary process was *used* by God to produce the effect (man & his immortal soul.)
Your kids will find a receptive audience for "intelligent design" arguments as they grow older. I recently attended a lecture a few weeks ago by Michael Behe, which was broadly attended by faculty and graduate students. Everyone was pretty much convinced that it's "real science" because it's "falsifiable," that is, able to be proven false. The primary argument raised against ID is that it seems like too quickly giving up on evolution--evolutionary theory has no current answers to the creation of "irreducible systems", but that doesn't mean it won't in the future. But in any case, it was a great lecture. If you live near the NJ/PA area, you should try to see him.
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posted on
01/01/2005 3:47:16 PM PST
by
ddantas
To: valkyrieanne
Is it that big a deal, though, if a child takes the ACT/SAT in a public high school? No. LOL! I was just responding to what someone else said about their kid never setting foot in a public school. LOL!
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posted on
01/01/2005 4:02:03 PM PST
by
The Ghost of FReepers Past
(Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
To: Theodore R.
Glen Schultz heads the Baptists' LifeWay curriculum program for church-based schools and home schoolers. "It hits everything, when you realize the reality of life is (that) life was created by God and the entire universe is his creation," Schultz said. "Therefore, everything has meaning and reflection on his nature, whether it is math or history or science. Two plus two equals four because God created them that way." Amen brother.
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posted on
01/01/2005 4:26:44 PM PST
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: ddantas
My extended family are Spanish Catholics who are completely tolerant to me now but generations ago would have been trying to torture or kill me for my beliefs. Really?
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posted on
01/01/2005 4:34:43 PM PST
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: Aquinasfan
Really?
Looking back at my post in hindsight--yes--I suppose it would require time travel of some sort to have my extended family kill me many generations ago...
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posted on
01/01/2005 4:45:54 PM PST
by
ddantas
(my grandfather was an illegal immigrant from Spain)
To: RadioAstronomer
As always your pride and vanity enables you to remain blind. You have an uncanny ability to focus on anything BUT the point of what people are telling you - spelling etc.. I hope this year you finally get it! Happy New Year!
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posted on
01/01/2005 5:07:11 PM PST
by
nmh
(Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
To: borntobeagle
All of our children are one income families. There is just a lot of sacrafice. For years the one with 5 children lived in small house in a not too nice neighborhood.
The Lord has really blessed their faithfulness and now are able to have much more.
Two of our children went to a private Southern Baptist school on a partial scholarship. You can have it all.
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posted on
01/01/2005 5:17:24 PM PST
by
Coldwater Creek
('We voted like we prayed")
To: nmh
Happy New Year!Happy New Year to you as well! :-)
To: cyborg
Well, it's better than it used to be. At least now they are really starting the schools for religious purposes, rather than as a cover for racism.
For a time, all the "Christian" schools were really created so the little white children wouldn't have to go to school with the little black children.
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posted on
01/01/2005 10:16:13 PM PST
by
Amelia
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