Chiropractic school angers FSU professors

St. Petersburg Times ^ | December 29, 2004 | By RON MATUS, Times Staff Writer

[Doctor Stochastic]

This would seem to be false as shown by California Board of Chiropractic Examiners. However, a high school diploma or equivalent is required. No mention of medical school or any other educational requiremen except for chiropractic school.

[FormerACLUmember]

This would seem to be false as shown by California Board of Chiropractic Examiners. However, a high school diploma or equivalent is required. No mention of medical school or any other educational requiremen except for chiropractic school.

Thank you for some facts and references in this anecdote filled rant thread.

[A CA Guy]

There is nothing wrong with having a chiropractic college.

There is one close by me and the students are nice, serious and pay good money to learn.

Now in California, they have all but cut them off from any insurance by the government and the private ones rarely cover that as well, so many are starving.

In general, they help, they don't break the skin or drug and people survive them.
Can't say the same for the protesting professors.

[FormerACLUmember]

And your point is?

[Gritty]

My wife was nearly a cripple and living a life full of pain for years because of an old neck and back injury. When the pain and medication became intolerable and nothing seemed to help, she finally agreed to go to a Chiropractor. The effects were immediate. She now takes no medication and functions normally. Occasionally the pain starts up again so she goes back and for $30 has it relieved and functions normally for another spell.

It has been over three years and her health has improved dramatically. We have no doubt she would be in a wheelchair today if she hadn't taken the step to get help before it was too late, or the surgeons started cutting on her spine.

Chiropractic can't cure everything. But is sure can help in a lot of cases, and is drug-free.

[Gorzaloon]

Gee, your description sounds like a lot of MEDICAL DOCTORS I have met in the workplace!

That was a quoted description, not mine, but I did throw gasoline on it.

I did break my regular doctor up, though..he asked how a minor surgery went, and how I liked the surgeon.

Well, he was like most surgeons...a HUMBLE man!..."

[patriot_wes]

I had an ankle injury that bothered me for ten years. Visits to conventional doctor were always "nothing much you can do, ankles take time to heal." I picked up my wife from an appointment with a chiropractor and I mentioned to the Dr. about my nuisance ankle problem. She scheduled 3 appointments. After the second one she said the ankle would be fine without the third appt. She was correct. In about three days my ankle felt strong as ever.

[shellshocked]

I think doctors are a funny bunch. They hate chiros because they aren't "real" doctors, yet, look at the course work for chiros and they have far more schooling in the human body than doctors.

BTW, I once had a serious injury from a dirt bik racing accident. I had a 30 degree rotation of the lower spine. Every "doctor" out there wanted to do surgery. Quacks. The chiro did x-rays, felt around, and rotated it all back into position instantly. Six months of therapy and my back was perfect. No long term problems, no surgery. The total cost was less than $500 out of pocket.

Doctors just hate the cheaper and more effective competition.

[eartotheground]

I think the confusion comes from the fact that in calif., osteopathic physicians can call themselves MDs. The notion that chiropractors in California have to go to an allopathic medical school first is completely absurd.

BTW, Sen. Dennis Jones (chiro fla. state senator) is a RINO scum who opposed the cap on non-economic damages in medical liability cases. A quack who is also a corrupt politician is just too much.

plenty of good info on chiropractors at www.quackwatch.com

[FormerACLUmember]

I still don't get your point. You seem to be accusing me of being a massage therapist. Or something.

[aculeus]

If by "you" you mean me, aculeus, I suggest you read my #12.

[tang-soo]

In 1987 I injured my back at the age of 30. After 6-7 weeks of "therapy" and pain killers that did not work, I finally saw a back cracker. I took my first deep breath after all that time. I'm convinced that Dr. Bleser (what a name!) of Cincinnati saved my life.

[philomath]

uh, sarge it's not a virus. it's a type of bacterium, Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori). that aside, your point is well-taken; we can't deny that chiros have something that works for some people, esp people who've been poorly served by traditional medicine. and we can't deny that modern science is sclerotic when accepting new paradigms (bacteria cause ulcers, inflammation causes heart disease). what i don't see is much explanation as to why it works, so we can study it better. most of the "literature" is garbage, with poorly-executed studies and financial conflicts of interest.

[suijuris]

I've had nothing but excellent, professional care from my Chiropractor

Couldn't agree more Diana and I'm quite suprised at the anti-Chiro sentiment around here. The ration of good and bad in the chiropractic profession is likely no different than the number of shysters and quack MDs.

When I started experiencing problems I knew nothing about chiropractors and the connection of the spine to good health. Like most people I believed they were not legitimate.

My problems started with minor pain and grinding in the neck and mid back and ignored it. Within a year I started having very serious paninc attacks. I went to at least five differnt MDs and every one of them wanted to prescribe pain medication and anti depressants, because they believed my symptoms were the result of depression. I kept trying to explaim my physical symptoms, and that I was certainly depressed because I did not feel well and was in pain everyday. I had read quite a bit about anti-depresants and never would fill the prescritions.

After a year of suffering a friend of mine recommended a chiro. I blew him off, but the friend then pre-paid a visit for me, which I still ignored for another two months. Finally, I was feeling so bad one day I was ready to try anything. I made the appointment and it turned out to be one of the best decisions of my life.

The first visit was like a religious experience; like someone breaking a pain of glass with a hammer; everything, tension, back pain, neck pain, chest pain, just left my body. It took a couple months of frequent visits, but I now only see him when I need too, as I have learned to pay attention to what my body is telling me. I have not had a panic attack since the first visit ten years ago.

If it were not for my Chiro, I would be on pain kilers and antidepressants, or maybe dead. My entire life I always considered myself well grounded and never one to think about suicide, but after a year of misery I was starting to understand how one could consider it.

The only answer the MDs could provide was anit-depresants and pain killers. They never wanted to consider the source of my problems and ignored what I was trying to tell them.

sui

[Howlin]

To be honest, the basic presumption of alignment makes sense to me.

When we lived in another city, the daughter of a friend was a physical therapist; she would have me lie on my back and drop my leg to the side of the bed; she would "do something" to it, which I never figured out, but within minutes I had NO PAIN. None.

I was so sorry when we moved.

But I am delighted to hear about BC/BS MA. My husband's company just switched to them today!

[shellshocked]

"At one time, long ago, "modern" medicine opened the human body without sterilized equipment and in less than sanitary environments. At one time, "modern" medicine bled people with leaches as treatments for diseases. At one time, "modern" medicine thought it reasonable to perform lobotomies on mental patients. "

Some still do. I find it laughable that do medical doctors think they are Gods. In fact, ask a doctor if a PhD should be allowed to be called "doctor", most will say no. Even funnier are lawyers who use the silly title "esquire", meaning gentleman, in a vain attempt to give lawyers a title of nobility. They must have hated the founding fathers when they prohibited titles of nobility in the Constitution.