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Hummer Owners Fuel Rage in Others
Motor Trend ^ | 12/30/04 | The Denver Post

Posted on 12/31/2004 8:11:07 PM PST by wagglebee

Dave Breggin eats no red meat, barely waters a drought-resistant fescue lawn and has a highly energy-efficient Arapahoe County home.

All that good karma suddenly evaporates when he gets behind the wheel of his cherished Hummer.

Like most other Hummer drivers, Breggin is the target of clenched fists, single-fingered salvos and screamed epithets from the greener-than-thou crowd.

With fuel prices near record levels -- up roughly 35 cents a gallon over last year's prices -- both owning and selling the gas-thirsty military clone may require more finesse.

General Motors is projecting a 20 percent drop in national sales of its Hummer H2 this year. Spokesmen said they're not sure whether the decline is attributable to high fuel prices or a normal leveling-off of sales after the initial wave of consumer interest.

The H2 is a descendant of the U.S. military's Humvee utility vehicle, a rough-and- tumble civilian model that seems equally at home in the driveways of off-roaders, society matrons and politicians.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger reportedly owns five Hummers, but even the Governator is feeling the heat. During last year's gubernatorial campaign, he spent an estimated $20,000 to $35,000 to convert one of his fleet to hydrogen fuel, prompting political rival Arianna Huffington to condescendingly dub him a "Hummer environmentalist."

If part of the reason for buying an SUV is to make a statement, the Hummer H2 -- at 6 feet 7 inches and 6,400 pounds -- is an iconic billboard.

Sales manager Ted Cranshaw of Medved Hummer in Castle Rock describes his buyers as "successful achievers and rugged individualists." Those who plan to drive their vehicles must also be thick- skinned enough to take the ample punishment dished out by critics. Breggin advises Hummer owners to carry disposable cameras and snap pictures of gesturing foes. That tends to defuse the most boisterous of the detractors, he said.

Like Breggin, Hummer owner Larry Dardano of Denver considers himself an environmentalist who is being unfairly maligned for his vehicle choice.

He's an ardent bicyclist and recycler and the owner of a home that he bought especially for its energy efficiency in the new Stapleton neighborhood.

The problem is, the Hummer won't fit in the garage. So he parks it at the curb, making it a frequent target of ridicule.

"People flip me off, and I give them the high sign right back," Dardano said. "After teaching DPS (Denver Public Schools) high school kids for 15 years, I know how to take heat." At its worst, Hummer backlash takes the form of vandalism and outright destruction. A Southern California Hummer dealership was firebombed last year, causing $3.5 million in damages.

More commonly, Hummer owners are targets of gibes and gestures.

A website is devoted exclusively to Hummer hatred. It features hundreds of pictures of people pointing their middle fingers at the vehicles.

At the Sierra Club, the Hummer is reviled as a gas-guzzling behemoth with no redeeming qualities.

"It's basically a dump truck marketed as a passenger vehicle," said Brendan Bell, a Washington-based global warming analyst for the environmental group. "We think the Hummer epitomizes the bad technology that American automakers are trying to pass off on the American public." GM plans to broaden the Hummer's market next spring with the introduction of the H3, a mid-sized SUV whose estimated mileage rating of 20 mpg makes it a comparative gasoline miser.

But that doesn't mitigate the cost of insuring a Hummer. State Farm Insurance calculates that the heftier H2 would require an annual insurance premium of $1,225 for a typical 35-year-old metro Denver male with a good driving record.

By comparison, insurance for a 2004 Chevy Suburban K2500 would run $1,066, and the gas-stingy Toyota Prius hybrid would carry an annual premium of $1,011.

The Sierra Club notes that the H2, with a full vehicle weight rating of 8,600 pounds, managed to elude the EPA's maximum threshold for mileage ratings. Vehicles heavier than 8,500 are exempt not only from reporting mileage estimates, but they don't count against the corporate average fuel economy standards that automakers must meet.

Unofficially, the H2 waddles in at about nine to 13 miles per gallon. Not that many owners are counting. If you're worried about fuel prices, dealers say, you're not the Hummer type.

"There's a lot of talk about gas prices affecting the SUV market, but let's face it, if you can afford the H2, you can afford the fuel," Cranshaw said.

In some cases, owning one can be financially beneficial. Until recently, owners of vehicles weighing more than 6,000 pounds (Hummers included) were eligible for a tax incentive that let them write-off up to $100,000. The loophole was recently tightened, but owners may still be eligible for a first-year deduction of $25,000.

Sales in Colorado -- the nation's leader in SUV ownership per capita -- continue to be brisk, Cranshaw said. He sold 16 in November, four more than last year, and expects 2004 sales to be close to last year's 136.

"Only a very few people respond to our vehicle as mediocre," said General Motors spokesman David Caldwell. "They run either very hot or very cold." Count Curtis Springs in the hot category.

The Colorado Springs chemical manufacturer's sales representative couldn't wait to sell his 2003 H2 before replacing it with a gleaming 2005 model.

"It's just a great vehicle," Springs said. "They're a blast. They're really fun to drive. You get into these heated leather seats, and it's hard to get out." He shrugs off the gestures from other motorists.

"I just kind of wave back at them," he said. "They're the whale huggers. They probably don't realize that this gets pretty much the same (gas) mileage as any other full-size SUV."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: enviornmentalwackos; hummers; offroad; suvs
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To: woofer
To qualify myself, I drive the company's Pickup...

Same here. I have not owned a car in 20 years. But I do own the company:)

81 posted on 01/01/2005 7:34:40 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Free Scott Peterson!!! In Iraq. Wearing an "Allah is the Devil" tee shirt.)
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To: wagglebee
If these Hummers rebel, we could all be in for a rough ride.

Reminds me of the King book Christine.

5.56mm

82 posted on 01/01/2005 7:35:24 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: isthisnickcool

http://www.motortrend.com/features/performance/112_0308_tuner_h2/


83 posted on 01/01/2005 7:45:21 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: JFK_Lib

Do you see people flipping of Hummer drivers? I don't. I see folks trying to look in the windows of Hummers in parking lots, but I've not seen animosity toward the things. And they're all over the place nowdays.


84 posted on 01/01/2005 7:49:49 AM PST by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: SVTCobra03
That's cool. I'm using a Mangna Charger.

I have a friend that owns GM, Cadillac and Hummer dealerships. Cadillac makes some cool cars. I drove the CTS-V the other day. Very fast but too much wheel hop when you drop the clutch. They didn't design the rear end correctly.

The big H1 Hummers are a blast to drive. Macho macho macho.

The new C6 Corvette is great. Another nice GM (made by Holden of Australia) is the Pontiac GTO. It's not a radical looking vehicle but for the money a great deal. And another vehicle that adding a superchrger too can be fun. They are almost giving away the 2004 models. The 2005 GTO will have more radical styling and the 6.0 engine doing 400HP. Now that's fun!

For play driving I have a Porsche. I'm looking at the Cobra replicas right now. They are a lot of fun. Also a 32 Highboy hot rod.

Cars and America! F yea!

85 posted on 01/01/2005 8:10:22 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Free Scott Peterson!!! In Iraq. Wearing an "Allah is the Devil" tee shirt.)
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To: gitmo

"Do you see people flipping of Hummer drivers? I don't. I see folks trying to look in the windows of Hummers in parking lots, but I've not seen animosity toward the things. And they're all over the place nowdays."

No, Ipersonally have never seen it though the wife and kids do not like them and refer to it as the 'Testosterone Car'.

Maybe they have a point, but they ahve never flipped off a hummer driver to my knowledge, and I doubt that they would. I can imagine alot of people I know doing such a thing, but I love Hummers and wish I could afford buying one and feeding it gasoline every day.


86 posted on 01/01/2005 8:17:21 AM PST by JFK_Lib
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To: Mogger

I saw one of those advertised in Major Surplus n Survial catalog.

Is it two wheel or fourwheel drive?


87 posted on 01/01/2005 8:20:10 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: wagglebee
I laugh at people who drive SUV's: they have been suckered by the auto manufacturers advertising departments.

An automobile has unfortunately become a necessity--but liking the infernal machines is a judgment flaw.

Of all the things I've ever owned, cars were the most troublesome and annoying. One of the worst things ever invented.

And they harm the health of humans and of the planet.

88 posted on 01/01/2005 8:21:37 AM PST by Age of Reason
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mark for continued car envy


89 posted on 01/01/2005 8:23:12 AM PST by Titan Magroyne (Cha! I am so not an aggressive driver! Call me pro-active.)
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To: wagglebee
With fuel prices near record levels -- up roughly 35 cents a gallon over last year's prices -- both owning and selling the gas-thirsty military clone may require more finesse.

Typical sloppy reporting. Gas here (in MA.) is now about 1.75 a gal. for regular, a full 35 cents lower than its peak last year.

90 posted on 01/01/2005 8:43:45 AM PST by MoralSense
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To: Rebelbase
I saw one of those advertised in Major Surplus n Survial catalog.

Is it two wheel or fourwheel drive?

If you're talking about the Rokon Trailbreaker Motorcycle, that would be TWO wheel drive.

The Mercedes Benz Unimog is FOUR wheel drive, six speeds forward and two speeds reverse, with locking differentials.

91 posted on 01/01/2005 8:50:53 AM PST by Mogger (Independence, better fuel eonomy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Jack of all Trades
The H2 is built on a 800 series chassis just like the Tahoe and Yukon. The main differences is that the steel had to be thicker (and thus the vehicle heavier) to achieve the same strength as the other rounder C/K platform trucks. This was so that the boxier and otherwise much less rigid H2 could achieve sufficient crash ratings for the "soccer mom" demographic it ultimately found favor with.

You can download a video of an H2 snapping its Caprice sized tie rods here.

92 posted on 01/01/2005 8:54:20 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: gogogodzilla
I've never driven a motorcycle before, but that's the one that'll get me to start.

...will some of you Harley folks come and slap this boy around??!! ...first of all, grasshopper, your motorcyle is your "ride." You don't "drive" a "ride."

...he's all yours.... ;)

93 posted on 01/01/2005 8:54:38 AM PST by paulat
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To: Mogger

Yeah, this was a Unimog. I have the print catalog.

Found the online link to the same: http://www.majorsurplusnsurvival.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MSS&Product_Code=083799&Category_Code=23


94 posted on 01/01/2005 8:55:12 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: SFC Chromey
Cool Unimog and Rokon! Talk about niche vehicles! I'm sure you've heard about Yamaha's new patents to develop a 2WD dirt bike. Tech specs include hydraulic pump for the front drive, and chain rear.

The 2 wheel drive Yamahas did pretty well in last years' Dakar Rally.

Be sure to watch this years' when they get the editing done on the Speed Channel.

If you search by 2005 Dakar Rally you'll find a lot about it.

95 posted on 01/01/2005 8:55:35 AM PST by Mogger (Independence, better fuel eonomy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: wagglebee

I like the older-style Hummers, but the H2 is just plain ugly.


96 posted on 01/01/2005 8:56:25 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Rebelbase
I just checked out the Unimog in the catalog link.

$9000 is average with the exchange rate these days.

The Swiss and German ones are generally well maintained.

Overall, a good deal. The swiss one probably won't have an air compressor though. A German one would.

You can add one later if you wish, it just bolts in.

97 posted on 01/01/2005 8:58:37 AM PST by Mogger (Independence, better fuel eonomy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: isthisnickcool

Here in Houston we have a former city council member ("former" due to term limits) that is a dwarf. He has a good law practice and is a good, conservative Republican. His wife is a dwarf, and they have three adopted children -- all with dwarfism. He drives a Hummer. It must really be a sight to see them all pile out of that thing.


98 posted on 01/01/2005 9:01:16 AM PST by RedWhiteBlue
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45
Hey there, I got some AMSOIL from a guy at work, I'm going to put it in this week. I got it before i left for vacation, it's been raining since i returned so i haven't had time to put it in. I can't wait :)

Well, prepare yourself for better fuel economy and more power, quieter running, etc. Be sure to get Amsoil for the transmission, rear end (if your vehicle has one), etc.

And a bonus! Amsoil is all AMERICAN MADE ---- NO oil from any MUSLIM or for that matter ANY OTHER COUNTRY in Amsoil Synthetic oils!

Back in the last "gas crisis" we had bumper stickers saying, "There's No Iran in our Cans".

Of course that wouldn't work now as oil is packaged in bottles now.

99 posted on 01/01/2005 9:03:54 AM PST by Mogger (Independence, better fuel eonomy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: bad company
For suburban yuppie worriors...
100 posted on 01/01/2005 9:11:33 AM PST by traumer
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