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Why does God allow terrible things to happen to His people?
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 12/31/04 | Jonathan Sacks

Posted on 12/31/2004 1:08:02 PM PST by Pokey78

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1 posted on 12/31/2004 1:08:02 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78

BTTT for later!


2 posted on 12/31/2004 1:12:46 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot ORG!!! Operation Valentine's Day!!)
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Natural disasters, he [Maimonides] said, have no explanation other than that God, by placing us in a physical world, set life within the parameters of the physical. Planets are formed, tectonic plates shift, earthquakes occur, and sometimes innocent people die.

Ah, sweet reason.

3 posted on 12/31/2004 1:15:29 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Pokey78

Everyone dies.


4 posted on 12/31/2004 1:16:44 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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If we don't know the bad in life, how can we recognize the good when it comes? Life isn't fair.

Personally, I'd much rather substitute all the murderers, rapists, child molestors etc in place of all those innocents. But I'm not in any position to do that.

That said, prayers for the hundreds of thousands of lost souls.


5 posted on 12/31/2004 1:16:47 PM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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Why? Because this world is only very temporary, and He has something infinitely better He wants to share with us. Things only seem dead end if we take that point of view and make this world everything.


6 posted on 12/31/2004 1:18:33 PM PST by broadsword (The difference between Charles Manson and Mohamed is... exactly... WHAT?)
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To: 7.62 x 51mm

Amen to that, my friend.


7 posted on 12/31/2004 1:19:24 PM PST by broadsword (The difference between Charles Manson and Mohamed is... exactly... WHAT?)
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Our ways are not His ways. To know the answer to the question asked would be to claim a wisdom we cannot
posses.Fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom.But
when bad things happen we tend to respond to the immmediate
in an emotional rather than rational manner.Only after a
period of reflection can we begin to comprhend the myriad
of causes and effects.For sometimes we choose behavior or
actions that place us in harms way unnecessarily. But it is not given to us to know Gods purpose all the time -for sometimes th eonly way we can grow --is by suffering loss.


8 posted on 12/31/2004 1:19:35 PM PST by StonyBurk
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Very well said. The world is not fair and those who look for fairness on earth will always be bitterly disappointed.


9 posted on 12/31/2004 1:20:30 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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Essential to monotheism is that conflict is not written into the fabric of the Universe

So Islam isn't really monotheistic? ;)

10 posted on 12/31/2004 1:20:42 PM PST by AM2000 (I am not responsible for the contents of this post.)
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To: Pokey78; tiamat; ChicagoHebrew; blam; freedom44; narses; NYer; anonymoussierra; SJackson
One of its most striking features is that the the most challenging questions about fate come not from unbelievers, but from the heroes of faith themselves.

I've always found this fascinating.

What distinguished the biblical prophets from their pagan predecessors was their refusal to see natural catastrophe as an independent force of evil, proof that at least some of the gods are hostile to mankind.

Superstition is one of the primary enemies of mankind. By excising it with a greatly simplified spiritual view of cause and effect, Judaism (and Zoroastrianism) set a new standard on which human beings could evaluate questions of fate and morality without resorting to overwrought notions of cause and effect. Judaism goes a step further by erradicating witchcraft and astrology. The stage was set for western civilization to thrive.

In the ancient Babylonian creation myth, the Enuma Elish, for example, the goddess of the oceans Tiamat declares war on the rest of creation and is only defeated after prolonged struggle by the younger god, Marduk.

Tiamat, was that you?

11 posted on 12/31/2004 1:20:58 PM PST by risk
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very interesting article. I agree with the rabbi that Maimonides probably had the right idea. But he was wrong about angels - angels have free will, otherwise how could some of them reject God and fall? (do Jews believe in fallen angels BTW?) The angels' free will is very important because it makes it such that God did not create any evil, even at the beginning, it was always the result of free created beings choosing badly. I think this could even in a sense explain things like the tsunami. The world is not the best of all possible worlds, it is fallen and Satan is the prince of it. So things like this are going to happen, sadly.


12 posted on 12/31/2004 1:21:39 PM PST by sassbox
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God allows?

Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

13 posted on 12/31/2004 1:21:52 PM PST by Theophilus (Save Little Democrats, Stop Abortion)
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(Luke 13:1 KJV) There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.

(Luke 13:2 KJV) And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?

(Luke 13:3 KJV) I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

(Luke 13:4 KJV) Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?

(Luke 13:5 KJV) I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.


14 posted on 12/31/2004 1:22:23 PM PST by RaceBannon (Jesus: Born of the Jews, through the Jews, for the sins of the World!)
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Interesting. God is in as much trouble as Bush. Either it's God's/Bush's fault if something happens or it's God's/Bush's fault for not preventing something happening. Uh, just were does Nature and the rest of us come in?


15 posted on 12/31/2004 1:22:25 PM PST by elbucko (Feral Republican)
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God is asleep at the switch? Or maybe we should look more at a Catharist version of our world? This isn't heaven baby.


16 posted on 12/31/2004 1:23:25 PM PST by Blast_Master
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Its not about faith and the guilty or non-guilty. This is a natural disaster and a tragedy, absolutely, but there is nothing on this Earth that people can endure that is worse than what God chose for his only son Jesus.

It's not our place to question God about anything. We live our life, and God willing, we've followed his word.

I'm not a Priest, Minister or "Reverend" (like the Reverend Rectum Je$$e Jack$on or AL "go-out-and-kill-a-cop" $harpton, but I know that much.

17 posted on 12/31/2004 1:23:25 PM PST by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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We humans tend to assume that the loss of life is a great tragedy. It is a sorrow to us, the living left behind to mourn and miss the lost, but from the eternal perspective, the perspective of heaven, it is not the worst thing that could happen.
18 posted on 12/31/2004 1:23:32 PM PST by Capriole (the Luddite hypocritically clicking away on her computer)
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To: Pokey78

Wise words.


19 posted on 12/31/2004 1:24:31 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: xzins
Everyone dies.

But not everyone lives.

(sorry, I had to do it)

20 posted on 12/31/2004 1:24:38 PM PST by kstewskis (Political correctness is intellectual terrorism.......M Gibson)
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