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To: BlackElk

The GOP base despises Hillary. But that is 40% and concentrated in the reddest of states. Those were the states whose congressmen supported impeachment. Most of the country, as you apparently have not noticed, did NOT support impeachment. That's the blue states and most of the West.

These are the states on which she could base a successful run for the White House, especially if she seizes the immigration issue and runs with it.


76 posted on 12/31/2004 7:20:58 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: Sam the Sham
If Hillary successfully exploits the "immigration issue", it will be because there are people who normally vote GOP who think of Mexicans as inevitably Democrat voters, don't like Mexicans, don't like their culture, don't like their social conservatism, are appalled that we now receive 45% of the ENTIRE Hispanic vote (which means a probable majority of Mexicans already given the hevily Democratic allegiance of Puerto Ricans) and the fact that many who regard themselves as conservatives are very favorable toward welfare state programs so long as those programs are only for people like themselves.

People who call themselves conserrvative should look to abolish socialist programs rather than to preserve them for themselves.

It may well come to pass that conservatives will succumb to this opportunity for ugliness against Mexicans. If so, the conservative movement will not much matter because it will be flattened.

As a movement, we conservatives are custodians of the military defense of our nation, of moral values against abortion and "gay" "marriage" (as to which Mexicans not Canadians will be our allies), of resistance to regulation, and of American traditions. Our nation is the last, best hope of the West and of Western Civilization. We are the bastion of defense of life, liberty and property.

The hysteria against Mexicans resembles nothing more closely than the hysteria against the "Yellow Peril" of Asian immigration in the 19th century. For a great political movement---our political movement--- to suicide for such pottage is truly embarassing and yet the Tancredos are bent on nothing less.

As to the phony tear-jerking and fright-mongering over national security suggesting that Al Qaeda armies will be pouring over our Southern borders unless we machine gun the mamacitas and their babies at our Southern border live (so to speak) on Eyewitless News, it is far more likely that Al Qaeda types will come in and have come in from Canada over our far less policeable border with Canada. Of course, Canadians tend to look like us and to speak our language so there is no emergency there, right????

Neither the Arkansas Antichrist nor his consort are ten feet tall and neither, thank God, come in millions. Get a grip.

Dubya's support among Hispanics generally and the Mexican-Americans in particular has skyrocketed. This may dismay genetic Republicans (who diagree with the GOP on everything but tax cuts at the top) like Muffy and Skipper down at the polo club. Mexicans are not coming here for the "freedom" to kill their offspring or grandchildren down at Planned Barrenhood. That very much dismays Muffy and Skipper. The Mexicans are not coming here so that Pablo can get it on with Bruce or Lance. Like most immigrants in American history, they are coming here to escape a nightmarish cartoon government in their native lands and to achieve a better life for themselves and future generations of their families. What else is new?

Lurking behind such disgraceful organizations as FAIR (Federation for American Immigration Reform) are activists in such murderous groups as Zero Population Growth and other groups of racists, elitists and population controllers. These are not us and are not our allies.

As to your argument by numerical assertions, a charitable response is that if America despised neither the Arkansas Antichrist nor Mrs. Antichrist, then it is long past time to roll up our sleeves and work at getting America to despise both. They are, after all, and always have been quite despicable.

Finally, I do not necessarily attribute all that I am complaining about to you. I don't want to spend hours in fruitless serve and volley with many whose minds are made up so I am putting many thoughts in one post even if some are not responsive to you.

107 posted on 12/31/2004 8:08:50 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Sam the Sham
The GOP base despises Hillary. But that is 40% and concentrated in the reddest of states. Those were the states whose congressmen supported impeachment. Most of the country, as you apparently have not noticed, did NOT support impeachment. That's the blue states and most of the West.

I agree the GOP made a tactical error in pushing impeachment. Dubya has not compounded that error although the right base has criticized him for not pursuing the previous administration. Although Bubba Clinton won re-election with a plurality I wouldn't correlate his success with Hillary. Bubba had charisma and a sense of humor. Hillary has nothing to attract moderate voters.

689 posted on 01/01/2005 8:03:59 PM PST by Once-Ler (My name is Once-Ler, King of Kings. Look on my works, ye Mighty, and dispair!)
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