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To: Sam the Sham; af_vet_1981; ChicagoHebrew; ninenot; sittnick; GirlShortstop; sinkspur
Your Shamness: (well chosen screenname BTW): You don't answer questions very well or at all. What makes you think you are a conservative? That you seem to be a border bigot? That you are more likely a Demonrat Undergrounder playing a conservative on the inernet?

Fr. Coughlin was known for ranting about and attacking (during the Depression no less) what he alleged to be the "power of Hebrew bankers" and other antiSemitisms. You are accusing me of antiSemitism. I resent that libel since it is groundless. I require your withdrawal of that libel in as public a manner as you have broadcast it. Alternatively, substantiate your charge.

I have pinged above six other Freepers, some of whom may believe in restricting the ongoing immigration of Mexicans but all of whom conduct themselves here as responsible and knowledgable posters. Two are well-known Jewish Freepers. I will ping others. I ask them to respond to you as to whether or not they think I seem to be antiSemitic or seem to them to be like Fr. Coughlin in any way other than being Roman Catholic (which also seems to disturb you: too bad!). I have also pinged three Catholic Freepers to ask their response.

Mob rule characterizes the pretentious little bands of well-lubricated good ol' boys with cases of beer and pick up trucks, appointing themselves "border patrols" while attacking the Vatican in their newsletters, and illegally (not that it bothers your ilk) "arresting" women and children in the SW deserts and wilds at gunpoint on Bubba's suspicion that they might be Mexican. Mob rule does not characterize those who remind you of the specific words (strict construction) of the Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection Clause, as they have been interpreted for good or for ill by the Federal Courts (in accordance with their literal meaning BTW) in striking down Planned Barrenhood Wilson's illegal (and California GOP destroying) referendum in California enacted in direct defiance of the Equal Protection clause as he and you well know. If you love democracy so much, use it to repeal the Fourteenth Amendment if you can. I might even help with that since it would necessarily strike down Roe vs. Wade. I don't think it will happen though. 45 million + sliced, diced and hamburgerized innocent babies and all you have to worry about is immigration. You also cling to your love of socialism (public skewels or ignorance factories, welfare for your grandma so long as she did not come from Mexico or any other place whose people you don't like, etc., etc., etc.) Oh, and I have every right to attack public institutions for which I and mine are required to pay though we'd not be caught using such moral sewers as public skewels. Why must WE pay to have YOUR kids brainwashed by the National Miseducation Association? AND, yes, putting your children's (or anyone's) minds and morals in the clutches of gummint skewels is a degenerate act in most cases.

I also require the withdrawal of the allegation that I would "march them (Jews) to the trains." I would have brought them to the USA if they wished to come here. The ship St. Louis filled with German Jews was sent to various world ports by Hitler to "prove" their "undesireability." The last attempted landing was in Florida. Despite the understandable actions of the leaders of the American Jewish Committee in chaining themselves to the White House fence in protest, FDR ignored the AJC and ordered the Coast Guard to interdict the ship St. Louis and all of its passengers and send them back to the Nazi death camps.

Likewise, isn't it the xenophobic border zealots who want mass deportations? I want mass importations. We need social conservatives (not "cultural" but social) to vote GOP and balance out those votes being cast for Mrs. Arkansas AntiChrist who will tempt YOU and yours by suggesting mass deportations of Mexicans or anything else if it would elect them to return to the Stalinist agenda of her husband's minority regime (plurality but minority nonetheless).

I will leave it to the fever swamp of what passes for your mind to figure out what you mean by "ethnic cleansing of post-Vatican II weaklings" and whatever Vatican II may have to do with public skewels located in America. In case he wishes to respond to that suggestion, I have also pinged an ecclesiastically progressive Texas Roman Catholic deacon of the Novus Ordo persuasion (I favor the Tridentine but attend more convenient Novus Ordo Masses without guilt and with reverence for God).

I am English, Irish, Scottish and German by ancestry and not at all Mediterranean. I have never been to the Mediterranean. My mother's eldest brother was killed while serving aboard a destroyer off Salerno in WWII in the US Navy but that does not make me "Mediterranean." My most recently arrived foreign-born ancestor arrived here (from non-Mediterranean England) in about 1908. I am a lifelong layman and never a cleric above the level of altar boy. I would have difficulty being a Mediterranean, not clerical and not fascist. I am having difficulty figuring out how supporting the free immigration into the USA constitutes "fascism" but never mind. I don't want to tax your obviously limited intellectual resources.

I have no idea who Charles Maurras is or was. Nor do I have any particular interest in knowing.

Now what was that about "hypocrisy"? If we build a wall to keep the Mexicans out, can we call it Berlin Wall II?

660 posted on 01/01/2005 1:45:31 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk; Sam the Sham; af_vet_1981; ChicagoHebrew; ninenot; sittnick; GirlShortstop; sinkspur
I think that the reference to the need to "cleanse" liberals was in extremely bad taste. Cleansings should be limited to kitchens and underwear, not people.

That being said, I would agree that you're not an anti-semite or a Father Coughlin follower, and think that both those allegations are equally in bad tase.

671 posted on 01/01/2005 4:37:17 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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To: BlackElk

I take back nothing.

You want to bankrupt this nation and subvert its laws so you can turn America into something like Franco Spain. You preach of "freedom" and generously offer anyone who disagrees with you a headstart to the border. Your basically authoritarian tendencies shine forth in your refusal to accept democratic consent of the governed and the rule of law.


696 posted on 01/01/2005 9:23:51 PM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: Sam the Sham; BlackElk

I have had the pleasure of meeting BlackElk and his family, for which I will be eternally grateful. (One might quibble that his wife and children are more charming, but...)

Having spent a very pleasant 25-40 hours of time with BE and/or his family members, some of which time was lubricated with good beer, I can assure you that BE is simply NOT anti-Semitic. Nor is he anti-black, anti-Italian, anti-feminine, anti-Irish, anti-Protestant, or any other common "anti-" you can think of.

However, BE is adamantly, fervently, and heatedly anti-babykillers, anti-RINO, and anti-the "isms" which are the perversions of the above-mentioned classes of people.

Now Sam, you and I have fought on the same side of a few battles here on FR. It's one thing to have an "America First" outlook--I think it's not only acceptable, it's our DUTY as citizens.

It is also our DUTY as citizens to accept LEGAL immigration, and as BE mentions, to work toward preference of immigrants who share in the Judeao-Christian tradition and culture.

As a matter of fact, it's also to our economic benefit that the country continues a positive population curve, without which SocSec, Medicare, and a number of other Gummint obligations will become worthless.

OTOH, I vigorously disapprove of ILLEGAL immigration, and find GWB's "amnesty" programs to be vapid disguises for bailing out Vincente Fox, who has been absolutely useless in his time-in-office in Mexico.

BE's an OK guy. You don't have to like him, but his arguments are reasoned.

And he is NOT anti-Semite.


742 posted on 01/02/2005 1:31:42 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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