"Do you really see Saul Alinsky becoming a big issue in a national election?" ~ Fatalis
Yes. Because Hillary and the rest of the DemocRATS in the Religious Left (liberals) always attempt to wrap themselves in "morality" in order to accomplish their goal of obtaining power and control over others.
They have to hide who they really ARE. It is our job to expose them. So in line with that, here you go:
This is one of the tactics that Alinski advised in his book Rules for Radicals:
".... he must give a moral appearance (as opposed to behaving morally): "All effective action requires the passport of morality."
And Saul Alinsky, the Clintons, et.al. made sure to align them with other moral-appearing, "do-gooder" relativists in the Religious Left (theological liberals) --- like Tony Campolo, Ron Sider, Rev. Jim Wallis, Editor, Sojourners Magazine, etc.
http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.article&issue=Soj0003&article=000311
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These people and their various groups have been exposed for who and what they are in several books, one of which is entitled, "The Coercive Utopians" by Rael Jean Isaac and Erich Isaac.
"Utopian" because they assume an ideal social order can be created (if the "right people" are in charge), and "coercive" because to obtain this ideal "order" they have in mind, they seek to IMPOSE the blueprint rather than try to use legitimate persuasion (which they know won't work).
The United States is seen by the utopians (people like Campolo, Sider and Wallis) as the worst society in the world.
As is shown in their book, Utopians dominate the leadership and professional staff of the mainline Protestant church denominations and their related organizations, including the National Council of Churches.
Another good book on this subject is entitled, "Anti-Americanism" by Paul Hollander.
Hollander pays considerable attention to William Sloane
Coffin, one-time Chaplain at Yale University and senior minister of the Riverside Church in New York City. In the 1970's, Hollander states, "Coffin served as an apologist for the Communist regime in North Vietnam. Coffin once claimed that "Communism is a page torn out of the Bible", and that "the social justice that's achieved in North Vietnam [is] an achievement no Christian society on that scale has ever achieved." Coffin threw his support behind the Marxist-Leninist Sandinista movement in Nicaragua and provided a platform for the #1 star of that movement, Daniel Ortega.
Another book on this subject is "From the Mainline to the Sidelines" by K.L. Billingsley. He writes that "Only political bias, poor judgement, or serious misinformation can account for the National Council of Churches failure to see that Marxist-Lenenist regimes persecute Christians for their faith and seek to eradicate all religious belief."
That is the tip of the iceberg. Hillary will easily be connected to the radicals - she not only was one of them, she is still one of them.
To see more of the tactics Alinsky advises, read on:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/886451/posts
BILL, HILLARY, SAUL, AND MORAL RELATIVISM Saul Alinsky and the Lessons He Taught Bill and Hillary
Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky Courtesy of The Wanderer. From a FR post dated 03/23/00.
Saul Alinsky wrote two books outlining his organizational principles and strategies: Reveille for Radicals (1946) and Rules for Radicals (1971).
Rules for Radicals opens with a quote about Lucifer, written by Saul Alinsky:
“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins -- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer.”
In Rules for Radicals, Alinsky says: “Here I propose to present an arrangement of certain facts and general concepts of change, a step toward a science of revolution.”
Rules for Radicals is concerned with the acquisition of power: “my aim here is to suggest how to organize for power: how to get it and how to use it.” ....Altogether, Alinsky provides eleven rules of the ethics of means and ends. They are morally relativistic:
“The practical revolutionary will understand Goethe’s ‘conscience is the virtue of observers and not of agents of action’; in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent both with one’s individual conscience and the good of mankind.”
“The second rule of the ethics of the means and ends is that the judgment of the ethics of means is dependent on the political position of those sitting in judgment.”
Alinsky elaborates his meaning on this point, saying that if you were a member of the underground Resistance, “... then you adopted the means of assassination, terror, property destruction, the bombing of tunnels and trains, kidnapping, and the willingness to sacrifice innocent hostages to the end of defeating the Nazi’s. Those who opposed the Nazi’s conquerors regarded the Resistance as a secret army of selfless, patriotic idealists ....” Rules for Radicals is therefore concerned with how to win. “...[I]n such a conflict, neither protagonist is concerned with any value except victory.”
“The third rule of the ethics of means and ends is that in war the ends justifies almost any means.”
“There can be no such thing as a successful traitor, for if one succeeds, he becomes a founding father.”
Rules for Radicals teaches the organizer that he must give a moral appearance (as opposed to behaving morally): “All effective action requires the passport of morality.”
The tenth rule of the ethics of means and ends states “that you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral arguments ... Moral rationalization is indispensable at all times of action whether to justify the selection or the use of ends or means.”
Rules for Radicals provides the organizer with a tactical style for community organization that assumes an adversarial relationship between groups of people in which one either dominates or is dominated.
“The first rule of power tactics is: power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.”
“Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.”
“Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this. They can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”
Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also, it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.”
“The threat is generally more terrifying than the thing itself.”
“In a fight almost anything goes. It almost reaches the point where you stop to apologize if a chance blow lands above the belt.”
“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
One of the criteria for picking the target is the target’s vulnerability ... the other important point in the choosing of a target is that it must be a personification, not something general and abstract.”
“The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.”
Saul Alinsky urged the active and deliberate “conscious-raising” (Ed note: a tactic used by feminists) of people through the technique of “popular education.” Popular education is a method by which an organizer leads people to a class-based interpretation of their grievances, and to accept the organizer’s systemic solutions to address those grievances. “Through the People’s Organization these groups [of citizens] discover that what they considered primarily their individual problem is also the problem of others, and furthermore the only hope for solving an issue of titanic proportions is by pooling all their efforts and strengths. That appreciation and conclusion is an educational process.”
Rules for Radicals stresses organizational power-collecting: “The ego of the organizer is stronger and more monumental than the ego of the leader. The organizer is in a true sense reaching for the highest level for which a man can reach -- to create, to be a ‘great creator’, to play God.” Alinsky considered Hillary a terrific “organizer” and wanted her to become his protege. She declined. She had bigger fish to fry. She learned her lessons well. She and Bill have employed Alinsky’s tactics probably better than anyone else.
People cared about John Kerry's Vietnam activities because he kept bringing them up. He opened the door for the Swifties, who would have had little traction otherwise. Unless you see Hillary making a similar mistake it's hard to see how Saul Alinsky will be in play.
Your post to which I respond is the best in show on this or probably any other thread today. It is indeed our business to begin immediately the process of educating the American public about Alinsky and Shrillery's Alinskyite roots and to destroy her accordingly. We could also profit from unsealing her sealed senior thesis at Wellesley, written when she was directly involved with Alinsky efforts.
Bravo! Bravissimo! Congratulations! Thanks!
Thank you for your post--it serves to teach and enlighten--the more I know, the more I need to know and want to know.