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Panic before the storm (a terribly sad series of three pictures taken as the tsunami approaches)
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | 12/30/04

Posted on 12/30/2004 7:06:00 AM PST by dead

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To: monday
Both the woman and her family did exactly the wrong thing. She should have run away to higher ground and her family would have been better off swimming out deeper and diving just before the wave hit letting it pass over their heads.

I suspect her family was drawn off shore when the water receded. They would not have had enough time to go out that far on their own and they seem to be heading toward shore. She probably went to meet them to help.

301 posted on 12/30/2004 4:40:19 PM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: redheadtoo

Dude . . . please! You have no standing here.


302 posted on 12/30/2004 4:41:25 PM PST by jayef
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To: RedWhiteBlue; redheadtoo
Yup....same land mass as seen in the Tsunami photos. From your link:


303 posted on 12/30/2004 4:45:49 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Justa

Thank you! Somebody who understands the dynamics. This was getting as bad as the creationism threads.


304 posted on 12/30/2004 4:49:35 PM PST by jayef
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To: Raycpa

I was thinking that too, but they're so close to each other... if they had been swept away in the initial drawdown, and then when it went to sea floor level they started running on dry land, I don't think they would have been so close together. I think they went out there to explore, tragically.


305 posted on 12/30/2004 4:50:54 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: coloradan

NOW THIS IS STUNNING:

Aceh, Sumatra BEFORE:
http://www.crisp.nus.edu.sg/tsunami/IK_Aceh_zoom_in_old_d.jpg

Aceh, Sumatra AFTER: http://www.crisp.nus.edu.sg/tsunami/IK_Aceh_zoom_in_new_d.jpg


306 posted on 12/30/2004 4:55:26 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: Justa
"You keep referring to tsunamis as waves when they're actually energy-surges caused by the displacement of the earth's crust."

Which are transmitted as waves, albeit waves of longer duration than wind driven waves.

"the energy transmitted through the ocean by a 9.0 earthquake is several orders of magnatudes greater than the wind-generated waves your basing your advice on."

True.

"Would you similarly advise someone to 'duck under' a storm surge? How about a dam burst?"

If there was breaking water on their faces and there was calm water beneath them.

"Have you seen any of the videos?"

Yes. As I have said, diving under the breaking face is impossible if there is no deep calm water beneath it.

"It ran the entire length of the video. No one was going to be holding their breath under that."

No need. All diving under the breaking face does is allow one to skip the spin cycle of the breaking face. As I said in #231 it won't do much good unless far out in deeper water.

If on the beach or in shallow water it is best to run for higher ground. It is impossible to dive under a wave from the beach or from shallow water.

Once you dive under the breaking face you may surface behind and be carried along by calm water, relative to you, on the back of the tsunami.

If it carries you all the way onto land you will have to contend with trees and buildings but at least you won't be battered by the wave face and all the junk caught up in it.

I suppose all the confusion means I have explained it poorly. Sorry.
307 posted on 12/30/2004 4:55:39 PM PST by monday
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To: rwfromkansas

Oh my God!! People on the beach at least could see it coming. There, people inland by a good part of a mile or more had NO IDEA they would be swept away.


308 posted on 12/30/2004 5:00:35 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: rwfromkansas

Anyone have any idea how many square miles are represented in that shot?


309 posted on 12/30/2004 5:02:37 PM PST by jayef
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To: jayef

According to the site: 2.59 km x 2.59 km


310 posted on 12/30/2004 5:05:14 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: rwfromkansas

Unbelievable. Those satellite images really illustrate the power of this Tsunami.


311 posted on 12/30/2004 5:12:20 PM PST by Godebert
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To: jayef
Understanding the power of the ocean is tall order sometimes.

Gee, maybe they ducked under the surge and held their breath.

312 posted on 12/30/2004 5:16:58 PM PST by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: rwfromkansas

Wow! The contrast in those two photos is truly STUNNING. Thanks for posting the links.


313 posted on 12/30/2004 5:26:22 PM PST by Wolfstar (Where are you, Miss Beazley?)
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To: Lazamataz

I work with a couple Indian's who said there families are fine....but one guy told us that the people who actually run into a tsunami have a much better chance or surviving than the people who run from it. He said if you swim past the waves you are better off....don't know how he knows that....but it sounds like it could be logical. I know of one couple that were just scuba diving right before the waves hit and were fine.


314 posted on 12/30/2004 5:34:02 PM PST by benice
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To: MikeinIraq

They say the waves were up to 500 mph in the deep ocean...but slow to about 30mph when they reach shallow water.


315 posted on 12/30/2004 5:35:42 PM PST by benice
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To: redheadtoo

"The blue shape behind the breaking white water is not a hill it is the tsunami wave."

Those are hills, and the waves were not "several stories tall."


316 posted on 12/30/2004 5:40:22 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: rwfromkansas

That made me gasp.


317 posted on 12/30/2004 5:41:48 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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To: benice

That said, you can't run 30 mph, you can't swim 30 mph, and you can't survive impact with trees, walls, boulders, or vehicles at 30 mph. Whitewater rafting kills a lot of people here in Colorado every year, and they have boats, lifejackets, paddles, and some even have padding. Some guy walking down the street - or asleep in his bed, or sunbathing, or drinking a martini as the side of a pool - who is suddenly in 6 feet of whitewater rushing past him has to be pretty lucky to remain alive.


318 posted on 12/30/2004 5:42:40 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: benice
"but one guy told us that the people who actually run into a tsunami have a much better chance or surviving than the people who run from it. He said if you swim past the waves you are better off....don't know how he knows that....but it sounds like it could be logical."

You might want to read the rest of the thread before you start to believe that "advice".

319 posted on 12/30/2004 5:44:02 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Godebert

Ummmm...that advice sounds an awful lot like the 'stay in your office' advice from the WTC disaster.


320 posted on 12/30/2004 5:46:03 PM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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