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Report: Pentagon Plans Cuts to Fighter Jet Program
Yahoo! News ^ | Dec 29, 2004 | Reuters

Posted on 12/29/2004 10:27:10 AM PST by Max Combined

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The Pentagon (news - web sites) is planning sharp cuts in the Air Force's program for its new F/A-22 fighter jet in a move budget analysts said was intended to offset mounting U.S. deficits and the growing costs of the Iraq (news - web sites) war, Wednesday's New York Times reported.

The newspaper said the Pentagon's decision, which four administration and Congressional officials described on Tuesday and which Congress must still approve, comes as the Bush administration is pressing all agencies to scale back spending requests for the fiscal year 2006 budget, which will be submitted to lawmakers early next year.

The U.S. Air Force has estimated the total F/A-22 acquisition program for 277 planes will run about $72 billion, making it the most expensive fighter jet in history. The aircraft, known as the Raptor, is due to enter service in December 2005.

Dennis Boxx, a spokesman for the plane's manufacturer and the nation's largest military contractor, Lockheed Martin Corp., said the company had not been notified of any changes in the program's status.

The Times said the Pentagon had told the White House and Congress about the planned cuts, although senior Pentagon and Air Force officials were still discussing details.

The newspaper quoted leading industry analyst Loren Thompson as saying the program could be ended after producing about 160 aircraft. He said the proposed cuts reflected "the convergence of severe budgetary pressures imposed by the Iraq war with some long-standing preferences among senior policymakers for less emphasis on conventional weapons programs."

Defense Department spokesman Eric Ruff declined to discuss any specific decisions on the Raptor program, the paper reported, but said Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had spoken with lawmakers in recent days "to discuss long-term modifications to the tactical fighter programs."

Ruff said the Pentagon's proposals ensured that the F/A-22 and another aviation priority, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, "would remain healthy."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: defensecuts; dod; fa22
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1 posted on 12/29/2004 10:27:11 AM PST by Max Combined
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To: Max Combined

I guess militarily we will be behind the French now.


2 posted on 12/29/2004 10:40:45 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: Max Combined
This cut is a big mistake.
It is an absolute failure to not see the emerging threat from China.

I supported cutting the Comanche Helo, but this is totally different.
He who controls the sky controls the war.
3 posted on 12/29/2004 10:40:59 AM PST by t-1000 (Hecho...Lava Sus Manos?)
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To: Max Combined
This cut is a big mistake.
It is an absolute failure to not see the emerging threat from China.

I supported cutting the Comanche Helo, but this is totally different.
He who controls the sky controls the war.
4 posted on 12/29/2004 10:41:29 AM PST by t-1000 (Hecho...Lava Sus Manos?)
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To: Max Combined

wtf, did John Kerry win or something?


5 posted on 12/29/2004 10:42:09 AM PST by G32
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To: Max Combined
Dumb, dumb, dumb. They seriously need to get the Clintonoids out of the Pentagon. I've never heard anything more stupid than essentially, "because of the cost of our current war, we plan to scale back our military". The FA/22 is the fighter the Chinese and Russians fear, not the Joint Smoke, er Strike Fighter. We might need to start banning eggnog from government offices, folks...
6 posted on 12/29/2004 10:42:20 AM PST by blogbat (Blogbat: ein Fahrgeschäft durch die Weltnachrichten)
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To: Max Combined

Oh, FFS.

JUST BUY THE THING ALREADY.

Would the program have dragged on this long if the YF-23 had gotten selected? I mean assuming Congress didn't cut it due to Northrop's scandal at the time.


7 posted on 12/29/2004 10:45:28 AM PST by Terpfen (Gore/Sharpton '08: it's Al-right!)
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To: Tax-chick

And there goes that job I applied for at Pratt & Whitney here in CT...


8 posted on 12/29/2004 10:46:57 AM PST by RaceBannon (Jesus: Born of the Jews, through the Jews, for the sins of the World!)
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To: JudgemAll

Possibly there's something else in the pipeline we don't know about?


9 posted on 12/29/2004 10:47:36 AM PST by mitchbert (Facts Are Stubborn Things)
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To: mitchbert
Hope so. I am beginning to think this Pentagon would have cut the P-38 program in WWII to save money for more Nordic dog sleds.
10 posted on 12/29/2004 10:50:06 AM PST by blogbat (Blogbat: ein Fahrgeschäft durch die Weltnachrichten)
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To: mitchbert

That's what I thought - could directed energy weapons replace fighter jets in some respects?


11 posted on 12/29/2004 10:50:23 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: t-1000; blogbat; mitchbert

Rummy is going for the next generation-unmanned fighter planes. By the time China catches up to that they will be a democracy.


12 posted on 12/29/2004 10:50:48 AM PST by MattinNJ (Only Arnold would have the stones to say Nixon was the reason he was a Republican.)
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To: Max Combined

Sounds like the Bush administration is punishing Georgia for electing two Senators and a Governor from the same party.


13 posted on 12/29/2004 10:55:46 AM PST by PAR35
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To: MattinNJ
"Rummy is going for the next generation-unmanned fighter planes. By the time China catches up to that they will be a democracy."

That would be a swell wish, but we should well remember the saying about not putting all of our eggs in one basket. Or even most of them considering other more likely scenarios which might play out before China comes to the altar and Russia decides to stop trending back toward meddling dictatorship. The matter of a multi-layered strategic shouldn't be lost in the minds of most with common sense. That was something Reagan gave us during peacetime. Now we are at war.
14 posted on 12/29/2004 10:57:30 AM PST by blogbat (Blogbat: ein Fahrgeschäft durch die Weltnachrichten)
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To: t-1000
This cut is a big mistake. It is an absolute failure to not see the emerging threat from China. I supported cutting the Comanche Helo, but this is totally different. He who controls the sky controls the war.

100% correct - This is a bad move - Lets hope the Navy gets the F-23 program running within the next 3 to 5 years -

And lets also hope this cut of the F-22 doesn't come to pass -

15 posted on 12/29/2004 11:01:04 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: t-1000

China is the gathering threat for sure. Although none of the older generation Russian fighter/bombers grab superiority over ours, if a conflict takes place 7-10 years out, the F-15 and F-16 may not get the job done given their long years in service and no meaningful upgrades in recent years.

The fact that China is accumulating aircraft/weapons from the Russians and participating in joint exercises with them does not bode well for Taiwan or the Far East.

The F-22 will ensure future air superiority and with our help Taiwan should control the Straights. Both would keep the Red Chinese at bay.


16 posted on 12/29/2004 11:05:42 AM PST by Reagan Disciple (Peace through Strength)
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To: DevSix

Is the F23 the joint strike fighter?

If it is...
I am not too big on that one.
Anything that promises to be all things to all people, usaually ends-up being mediocare at doing multiple things.

If I want to put a nail into a piece of wood, I use a hammer. While a brick can do the same thing it doesn't work as well as a hammer and the last time I checked you can't build a house out of hammers.


17 posted on 12/29/2004 11:06:13 AM PST by t-1000 (Hecho...Lava Sus Manos?)
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To: mitchbert
Possibly there's something else in the pipeline we don't know about?

Indian Air Force was floating a proposal around the Pentagon about outsourcing air superiority, guess Rummy bought into that.

18 posted on 12/29/2004 11:08:22 AM PST by Joe Miner
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To: t-1000
Is the F23 the joint strike fighter?

NO - that is the F-35 (of which I agree, in many ways I am not a fan of this aircraft either) -

The F-23 would be the true replacement of the F-14 Tomcat (and really be able to do it's needed job....not like the current F-18 Super Bug is trying to do) -

19 posted on 12/29/2004 11:10:56 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: t-1000
not necessarily.

the idea is to have a working assembly line, hopefully one that is at least capable of higher production rates. if we actually get to a point where it looks like we will need them, believe me, they will get built, and in a hurry. if the F35 is well above the F22 in capability, and isn't too far down the road, it may be worth waiting. particulary if the the robotic fighter starts to come into its own as another option.

20 posted on 12/29/2004 11:11:01 AM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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