Posted on 12/29/2004 6:21:51 AM PST by Ginifer
You say that as casually as if it were of no concern. You would trade the economic welfare of the nation just to rid yourself of having to be exposed to people who are different than you.
Typical mentality of the anti-Mexican posters on FR. I hope visitors don't think y'all are representative of the rest of us.
You may not have heard correctly-- there actually are a lot of business leaders very much concerned about increasing our nation's "social capital". Some activism we like (Gates) and some we don't (Soros) but they're people, and as such are active in community affairs
But the issue here is the choice between Bush's immigration proposal and the situation we have now. Critics (like the writer of the article) say the plan "would allow millions of illegal aliens to remain and work in the U.S. for a minimum of three years with no fear of deportation or other punishment." They lie. First the wetbacks admit guilt, pay a fine, and get a visa to stay (thus becoming legal aliens) and are kept track of as long as they're in the US which may only be three years..
Jeff Johnson seems to prefer what we have now where the illegals stay and break the law indefinitely with no fine and we don't know who or where they are.
There is a a job in screen printing called "catcher." The person stands at the end of the dryer and literally catches the freshly printed t-shirts and puts them in piles by size. Someone else packs and ships them. The job requires a lot of standing and is pretty dull.
We cannot find "American" teenagers or young people who are willing to do this job for less than $10 per hour. The Hispanic friends of people that already work for us, and who are legal, are willing to do the job for $7 per hour. Our competition, who we know are using undocumented workers, is paying them $4 to $5 per hour for the same work. Some of our workers used to work for him, but as soon as they got their papers, they looked for work elsewhere.
Cost of labor is about 15 to 20% of our product cost. Raise our labor costs by a third and it will have a HUGE impact on our prices to the consumer.
I am all for legal immigration. The situation, as it exists now, gives an edge to employers willing to use illegals. I say allow a "legal" conduit, crack down on employers using illegals, and then you can close the borders and silence your critics on both sides.
Hope you had a nice Christmas!
Cesspool? Is that what you think immigrants are? Doesn't that sound like an extremely racist description of immigrants?
Would you express that sentiment publicly around your coworkers, bosses, customers, or in social settings? Why do you dishonor FR by expressing that filth in front of us?
$20K a year for complete;y unskilled labor?
Hell, my first professional job (i.e., requiring a degree) only paid $25K, and it wasn't that long ago.
Kids on holiday working to earn beer money aren't a reliable labor supply that economic growth can be based on.
I say allow a "legal" conduit, crack down on employers using illegals,.....
If we are not enforcing the existing laws that prohibit hiring illegals now, why should people expect that after the guest worker amnesty program begins, those laws will suddenly be enforced?
Another lie from your keyboard to the Free Republic.
Kids on holiday working to earn beer money aren't a reliable labor supply that economic growth can be based on.
Working to pay for college expenses, saving for a car. Nice try.
MALMO, Sweden - Swedish authorities in the southern city of Malmö have been busy with a sudden influx of Muslim immigrants - 90 percent of whom are unemployed and many who are angry and taking it out on the country that took them in.
"If we park our car it will be damaged — so we have to go very often in two vehicles, one just to protect the other vehicle," said Rolf Landgren, a Malmö police officer.
Fear of violence has changed the way police, firemen and emergency workers do their jobs.
There are some neighborhoods Swedish ambulance drivers will not go to without a police escort. Angry crowds have threatened them, telling them which patient to take and which ones to leave behind.
Because Sweden has some of the most liberal asylum laws in Europe, one quarter of Malmö's 250,000 population is now Muslim, changing the face and the idea of what it means to be Swedish. Asylum seekers may bring spouses, brothers and grandparents with them. Civil servants say the city is swamped.
"You have 1,000 students in a Swedish school. How many are Swedes? Two," said Lars Birgersson, principal of the Rosengrad School.
Thanks for the assist! :~)
If you have chosen not to avail yourself of the greatest period of economic prosperity in history don't blame me or President Bush. Isn't five years of whining enough already?
Sorry, Mr. White House Man, but being smeared as someone in bed with environmental extremists, population control-mongers, and white supremacists will not stop me from opposing Jorge Boosh's guest worker fantasy.
As for the racism angle, if I were in charge, I would deport Europeans, Arabs, Asians, and Africans with as much enthusiasm as I would Mexicans and other Latinos.
"There are some jobs in America that Americans won't do and others are willing to do,"
No there aren't. If you closed the borders, what would happen is that wages would rise for jobs that are needed, or automation would take place. So, that is a complete lie. Bush's Achille's heel. At least one of them.
The reason that these laws are unenforceable is that juries refuse to convict employers for hiring illegal aliens.
Prior to 1965, it was perfectly legal to hire someone from Mexico, as long as you followed some specific rules. Prior to 1965, juries routinely convicted employers who violated the law and hired illegal immigrants. Now, those juries refuse to convict. They don't view hiring someone from Mexico as a criminal act in and of itself.
Change the legal environment to provide a legal path for hiring immigrants, and juries will be far more likely to generate convictions.
You need to get out of the bad habit of ascribing motives you consider execrable to posters merely describing what they consider statements of fact. I said nothing of the sort, and don't believe that, and have never posted that, and have posted to the contrary. Having said that, whether getting rid of low value added jobs in the US is against its economic interests is itself a debatable proposition.
Do you know, perchance, what kind of background checks will be done on these illegal laborers-on-the-cheap? I sure would like to know.
And who is going to do your summer job when you return to school?
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