Posted on 12/29/2004 6:21:51 AM PST by Ginifer
My issue is--I don't think it is wise to take in some many immigrants from one single country or even ethnic group. I would not care if it was Sweden that they were coming from. It is about preserving our way of life and system of governement or what is left of it.
You're 100% correct. In California the construction jobs, gardening jobs, cement mason jobs, tile jobs, plumbing jobs, nanny jobs, service industry jobs, hospital worker jobs, housekeeping jobs, others than I can't think of right now, have been overwhelmingly taken over by illegal aliens who bring American wages down by working for less while we, the taxpayers, pay for their medical care and everything else. All these jobs have always provided a living wage to American workers. Now many of these Americans are losing their homes because of wage undercutting by illegal aliens.
I believe the President's idiotic answer to this problem was to tell these Americans to go back to school. He is so out of touch with America that it's bordering on treason. He is dancing with Mexico, and one has to wonder why an American president would do this when he knows it's not in the best interest of his own countrymen.
Are you suggesting the welfare rolls aren't an option at all?
To whatever extent they aren't, Tom Tancredo's BE REAL act has provisions which address the deficiencies of our immigration procedures while meeting our labor needs with a generous guest worker program that doesn't legalize a single illegal alien. See Subtitle B, about 5/6 of the way down the page for specifics on Tancredo's guest worker program.
If they opened their eyes and looked up for a few minutes they might discover that we aren't in the midst of a great depression, but instead are enjoying unprecedented prosperity.
Take a look at a different type thread such as Job Creation In US Strong and see what's going on with the rest of the FReepers.
Some people will always be chronically unemployed and underemployed. They will never be able to compete with other employees, regardless of their citizenship.
I suspect that's how it's going to work.
I happen to think that AgJobs or Senator McCain's proposals work far better with much less red tape for businesses in this country. I'd much rather not give Tancredo any credit at all, particualrly given his decision to work with the likes of Buchanan.
And the same was said in political rhetoric almost verbatim a century ago about those "dirty" Italians, Irish, Poles, and Jews.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
We've never had such a large and homogeneous, non-English speaking population, including millions of illegals, from a contiguous country, with a growing non-English mass media market inside our borders before.
Accurate historical analogies don't need to be such a struggle for you, but you'll need to acquire some intellectual honesty to be up to the task.
The lie about the jobs being ones that Americans don't want is more pronounced in rural areas where jobs are more scarce. At the Farmland meat processing plant in Monmonth,IL, workers are 50% immigrants. Farmland won't comment any further on it.
I'm sorry to see Bush in the spin cycle! Gags me.
One thing: Yes, this issue of the supposed jobs that no American wants is NOW affecting more middle class workers, which will get the issue more exposure. But, I think the real tragedy is that it has ALREADY negatively impacted the lower class workers.
The dadgummed government ought to make it easier for all businesses to hire American workers -- employer paid taxes, OSHA bull crap, labor laws, insurance, etc. are all contributing to the problem. Who can blame a small construction company for wanting to circumvent all that crapola! NOT THAT I CONDONE IT.
BTW, it is politically incorrect to say "lower class????"
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Highly suspicious all by itself.
When did everybody in the country become a JanetGreen? And don't give me some unscientific online poll saying such as a rebuke.
Maybe instead of shouting and whining about your one issue incessantly, maybe you should look at the fact that Bush is the first President in trying to deal with a problem that has been festering for 40 years.
You know of course that you can't have white collar jobs without blue collar laborers don't you.
What do you tell a young person who studies hard in school to get an MBA only to find that all the companies in America have closed or moved over seas because the anti-immigrant crowd made operating in the US impractical?
If your daughter does eventually move away who are you going to get to replace her doing the dirty work on your ranch? American industry can't be based on owners' children doing all the work.
I wasn't aware of the option of letting you decide whether some illegal aliens are more acceptable than some Americans. Has this legislation been introduced?
We seem to think that because we have this democratic tradition others will naturally gravitate toward it. I think they simply gravitate to what they know. Especially when the left in this country will not allow American tradition and history to be taught in public schools. The combination of this influx and the left in this country is baaad news, IMO.
Also, I would like to add--I have a good friend, mother of my daughter's friend--who is Mexican. Her father came here illegally and became a citizen under Reagan's amnesty. So, she is a first generation American citizen. Even so, Spanish is the language spoken in her house and she is Mexican first. Her loyalty is to Mexico and (love her to death but) she is one of the most racist people I have ever come across. Most Mexicans are.
If you look at the cost of these illegals on the localities, the property taxes have risen exponentially. The result has been less and less younger families can afford a home or middle class people staying in their homes.
I live in NY. The results of these illegals have been disastrous.
Uh if you haven't noticed, Bush has been trying to do that(i.e get rid of onerous liberal govt. regulations from years gone past), but for some reason the people bitiching about Bush on this thread are never on those threads praising him for taking on the liberal press, when he does try to take on the onerous regulations that have been passed in the last 30 years.
Don't get excited over Fool's Gold, rod.
The "prosperity" you see in the corporate sector is where Americans are being displaced by those working for lesser wages/benefits, therefore corporate "profits" are higher, which increases shareholder value.
But, to the average American, their cost of living increases disproportionally to their wage increases, making their "living wage" less and less. It is "undocumented workers", felon employers, and corrupt politicians who are equally responsible for that downward spiral trend. Compare IT wages of six years ago with today's; compare construction workers' wages of ten years ago with today's. It is glaringly apparent they have lost ground.
Some are not so easily fooled by smoke and mirror images of corporate or Wall Street prosperity in comparison to the real world of daily life.
"Teenagers have never done the hard dirty manual labor that adult immigrant males and blacks have done."
When I was 12 y/o my dad got me a job with a fence contractor and I mixed cement, dug post holes all day. It was hard labor, and paid well.
I made more than as a 13y/o than they pay illegals. Its exploitation. The businesses don't care because after these people can no longer work, they will just try to go on disability or welfare.
I wasn't aware I was unallowed to have an opinion on the matter.
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