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To: coloradan

Ride with a drug enforcement cop. I've worked with youth on drugs. And nothing infuriates me more than some ignorant ass of a fool who thinks legalizing it is a good idea. These things are poison. They destroy the soul. They turn people into mindless animals, willing to do anything for that next hit, even kill.

If you think legalizing drugs will stop the killing by dealers, then you are the biggest fool of all. Dealers don't kill because drugs are illegal, they kill to eliminate competition in the market.


104 posted on 12/30/2004 5:44:45 AM PST by frgoff
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To: frgoff

We will never legalize drugs. What foolish drug company would manufacture a product infinitely more dangerous than cigarettes? The lawyers would be circling every factory. This whole "war on drugs" mantra from the libertarians is just a red herring.


105 posted on 12/30/2004 5:50:32 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: frgoff
If you think legalizing drugs will stop the killing by dealers, then you are the biggest fool of all. Dealers don't kill because drugs are illegal, they kill to eliminate competition in the market.

And where is the market if the drugs become legal? Is a homeboy going to compete with Walgreens?

You call me an ignorant ass of a fool, but everything you say can be said and has been said of alcohol, right down to the gangsters machine-gunning speakeasies of their competition. If you had been alive then, you would be telling me sanctimoniously to ride along with some revenue agents, busting illegal moonshine operations, getting shot at, and do I still think that horrible drink should be made legal? Now, alcohol is legal and those crimes of violence are essentially gone. We tried prohibition once, and admitted it was a big mistake. We're trying it again. It's still a big mistake, and people like yourselves cannot distinguish between the problems of drugs, and problems of prohibition.

Incidentally, the first prohibition got us the BATF, the first federal gun control laws (NFA'34), it firmly established the Mafia in America, and got the Kennedy family into politics, thanks to corruption. The Drug War is bringing many more evils than that into every one else's lives.

106 posted on 12/30/2004 7:34:19 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: frgoff
You do know, of course, that in NYC guns are basically illegal, and that they have undercover cops trying to bust illegal gun dealers, and that they set up sting buys and do no-knock raids, etc, and that these cops are sometimes shot dead, etc ... and that gun grabbers abound who write things like "I've worked with youth on guns. And nothing infuriates me more than some ignorant ass of a fool who thinks legalizing guns is a good idea. These things are evil. They destroy neighborhoods. They turn people into killers, willing to shoot anyone at the drop of a hat. Do you want the streets running with blood?" Sound familiar? It's right out of a Brady Campaign press release. Or, maybe it's your own post, very very slightly reworded.

And I'm just this ignorant ass of a fool libertarian who can point to places like Colorado with the "Make my day" law, or Vermont and Alaska where you don't even need a permit to carry a concealed weapon, and these promised evils just simply don't come to pass (except at gun-free schools like Columbine). Still there are plenty of people who are calling on the prohibition of guns to expand and become complete, and they cite places where guns are already illegal, but which are either criminal hellholes (e.g. Washington D.C.) or sites of famous massacres (e.g. Columbine H.S.) to make their case.

109 posted on 12/30/2004 10:53:27 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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