Posted on 12/28/2004 1:07:39 PM PST by Destro
Soros In Ukraine
By Cliff Kincaid | December 27, 2004
The people of Ukraine suffered tremendously under communism and deserve their freedom. It's heartening to see them turn out for free and fair elections. But we should be under no illusions about how or whether American interests will be served by the victory of one side or the other in those elections. The fact is that the candidate dubbed "pro-Western" wants to pull Ukraine's troops out of Iraq, while the alleged "pro-Russian" candidate wants to keep them there.
An "Embassy row" column by James Morrison in the Washington Times captured the contradictions, noting that Eduard Prutnik, a chief adviser to the Ukrainian prime minister Viktor Yanukovych, had visited Washington and noted that billionaire George Soros, who poured millions of dollars into efforts to defeat President Bush, is also spending millions on the campaign against Yanukovych.
The other candidate, Yushchenko, who wants Ukraine's troops out of Iraq, is supposed to be pro-Western and pro-American. A blogger by the name of Daniel Brett says that Yushchenko is pro-European Union and "closer to the Old Europe Rumsfeld detests…. To understand Yushchenko, you have to understand the politics of the EU. The visionary values that drive the EU and its enlargement--the desire to create a new, assertive super-power independent of U.S. influence--are being forged by those Rumsfeld views with contempt. And Yushchenko shares this vision."
The American Enterprise Institute on December 10 sponsored a symposium on the events in Ukraine titled, "Ukraine's Choice: Europe or Russia?" That may be a more accurate characterization of what's at stake. Notice that it wasn't framed in terms of Europe, Russia or America.
(Excerpt) Read more at aim.org ...
You can put me down as a deeply suspicious former optomist when it comes to Vladimir Putin.
It's a shame, what an alliance we could have had. No doubt Clinton started it with his war of regime change, that relied on faulty intelligence, against Serbia.
By the way, this article is by AIM - Accuracy in Media - a well known (and one of the first) conservative watch dog against the mainstream media.
Why do people assume Russia should be our ally? Russia will benevr be an ally - nor an enemy - she is too big for those kinds of tags. A partner on some geopolitical issues? Sure. The USA is too powerful a nation to have any sort of co-equal alliance with and when you have such differences in power stature you can't have true alliances.
Both candidates support a pullout.
Hopefully more than not, but somehow I doubt it highly.
If not for Russia loaning their Northern Alliance to us and allowing us to move into their bases in Central Asia the Taliban - which our ally Pakistan backed - would still be in power.
Yush supports a full pull out - Yanuk supports a partial withdrawl.
Funny, I thought the N.A. were Afghanis not Russian. Didn't know that Russia owned them....
Russia funded the Northern Alliance - armed them - gave them intel, etc. India, China were minor partners in supporting the Northern Alliance. Iran supported a Persian Shite group in the Northern Alliance which while part of the Northern Alliance was kind of independent of it.
you are dead wrong.
Destro is a Stalin apologist and you are his useful idiot.
One only has to Google Soros and Ukraine to see you are a bald-faced liar.
Well you are correct - I stated I hate comparisons but Americans need them because their knowledge of history is poor. Russia and the territory of the Ukraine share an origin and history.
I love how he called me a jihadist lover - I could not stop laughing at that one. Meanwhile Tailgunner Joe loves to defend the Chechens.
You stand with jihadists like basayev when he cut off Christian heads in Georgia.
Looks like your boy Yanukovych (sp?) is the opposition now.
No, Korea existed a separate nation for thousands of years and Japan although younger is also old and distinct. Their languages are very different, they are separated by the sea etc ...
Ukraine and Russia are rather like Catalonia and Aragonia is Spain, or Northern and Southern Italy, or Southern and Northern China.
Ukraine (the Little/Proper Russia/Rus) was the original center of Russian state. Then Russia/Rus was split by the foreigners - Western Rus got under the power of Poland/Lituania, Eastern Rus got under the power of Mongols or Tartars. The new statehood was rebuild from the area in the north/east around Moscow. First the Mongols were defeated and reborn Russian state spread east, south and north, then the Polish Lituanian Commonwealth was defeated and the West was rejoined.
The only part which remained outside was the westernmost area around Lvov (Lviv) which was under Austrian control. Austrians promoted development of separate Ukrainian language based on local dialects and helped by a group of intellectuals who stressed the differences and made large borrowings from the Polish. The new version of revisionist history was invented to project XIXc Austrain/German ideals into the past. So the Great Russians (Moscovites) were depicted as inferior/impure racially, more Asian than European and Westen Ukrainians as belonging to the superior West. Soviets although not very friendly to the racialists ideology tried to extend the Ukrainian identity far to the east, including Great Russian lands near Black Sea and Don. (They did it in the name of internationalism, trying to difuse the larger ethnic groups and balance them with the smaller)
It is sad and painful to build the national identity on a lie!
Irish and Welch are Celtic. It is more like Southern and Northern England. Or Angles and Saxons.
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