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To: Alacarte

The point is that scientific theories change over time.

Look up 18th century phlogiston, bloodletting in medicine, sterile technique, global cooling/warming . . . lots of examples. One of my fellow freepers can find the quote about closing the patent office at the beginning of the 20th century because nothing more would be invented.

Human knowledge has expanded tremedously in the past century and will continue to do so. Human wisdom???

Scientists are fallible humans with their own pet ideas, just like you. Knowledge tends to be filtered through one's own viewpoint. Efforts are also made to prove the point of view an individual has taken.

Then you have the "scientists" who worked in Nazi Germany to find cheap ways to kill or sterilize "undesirables".

So you believe, at this point in time, the scientists have evolution completely figured out, despite a number of instances of debunking. Kettlewell and the spotted moth is a good example - embryonic development is another.

Science, for good or ill, changes and can be mistaken. Evolution suits very handily the valueless society we are developing. Unquestioning belief in science, specifically in macro-evolution is a faith just like any other.


158 posted on 12/27/2004 5:57:45 PM PST by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: Wicket

"The point is that scientific theories change over time"

Why is this the point? Of course they do, but the basics of proven theories like evolution and flight will never be changed. No matter what discoveries in physics are made, a rock will never fall upwards when you drop it.

"So you believe, at this point in time, the scientists have evolution completely figured out, despite a number of instances of debunking. "

No, I never said evolution is all figured out, and no one who knows better would either. Instances of debunking? The theory of evolution is an enormously complex explanatory model. Just because much of the mechanics are still being worked out in no way mitigates the overall theories validity. If that were true then there would be no more research into faster aircraft, since the theory of flight would already include everything there is to know about it, which it doesn't.

I think we both agree that research is ongoing. So I assume you also question the theory of flight's validity, since it is also being expanded upon... Less so than evolution, but it is a much less expansive model than evolution as well.

"Science, for good or ill, changes and can be mistaken."

Absolutely. I'll be expecting to see your arguments against special relativity on the physics boards soon since no theories can be trusted.

"Evolution suits very handily the valueless society we are developing. "

Maybe... More importantly, evolution fits with the scientific data.

"Unquestioning belief in science, specifically in macro-evolution is a faith just like any other."

Except that faith in evolution is peer reviewed, tested, predictable, requires no blind faith and needs no supernatural explanations. Other than that, yes it's the same.


172 posted on 12/27/2004 6:31:20 PM PST by Alacarte (There is no knowledge that is not power)
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