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To: Saberwielder
"...why don't you show us the proof for your claim that Pakistan's nuclear warheads are sitting at the back of a US C-130?"

First, as you well know, I made NO such claim, it was clearly stated to be "My guess is...". You are dishonest.

Second, if you want to revisit an issue from a previous thread and challenge a poster about what they said there, then do so on that thread, not here. Forum policy.

You can obfuscate all you want, change the subject, rant, post irrelevant diatribes, what ever. You aren't getting off the hook until you answer for your lies.

You started this thread with the lie that these "lower level officers and enlisted men" actually "hold the keys to about a 100 nuclear warheads". Where is your proof for that reckless accusation?

--Boot Hill

32 posted on 01/01/2005 2:19:52 PM PST by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!!!)
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To: Boot Hill
Second, if you want to revisit an issue from a previous thread and challenge a poster about what they said there, then do so on that thread, not here. Forum policy.

In other words, you admit you cannot back up your bogus claim and want to hide behind "forum policy"? This is hilarious and hypocritical to boot, no pun intended. How many times have you asked others to explain what they posted in other threads? Just look at your own post above, #27. Why did you post my words from other threads, if you know it's forum policy not to challenge people's postings from other threads?

Like I said, stop digging when you hit the bottom.

You can obfuscate all you want, change the subject, rant, post irrelevant diatribes, what ever. You aren't getting off the hook until you answer for your lies.

I'm not the one hiding behind "forum policy" mister. I have answered your question - in my previous posts. Since you choose to ignore it, I'll humor you once more.

The question -> "Why do the Pakistani army's lower level officers hold the keys to Pakistan's nuclear weapons?"

The answer -> Many experts have pointed out the danger of the inside threat in Pakistan and it is not just about the warheads, but also about the nuclear fuel, which you have consistently avoided talking about.

For example, see this report by the Congressional Research Service - a US government entity, titled "Nuclear Terrorism: A Brief Review of Threats and Responses." See the report in Daily Times based on the CRS report.

Pakistan feared as source of nuclear terror

The fear regarding Pakistan is that some members of the armed forces might covertly give a weapon to terrorists or that, if President Musharraf were overthrown, an Islamic fundamentalist government or a state of chaos in Pakistan might enable terrorists to obtain a weapon.

Terrorists or rogue states might acquire a nuclear weapon in several ways. The nations of greatest concern as potential sources of weapons or fissile materials are widely thought to be Russia and Pakistan.

Many experts believe that technically sophisticated terrorists could, without state support, fabricate a nuclear bomb from HEU.

For another example, see the CNN feature titled "The Nuclear Threat." Below is a quote from nuclear expert Matthew Bunn, from the transcript available online

ENSOR: While the Pakistani military is believed to keep tight guard on nuclear facilities, who is doing the guarding is another question.

BUNN: The famous Roman question, "Who guards the guardians?" is a critical one. If 41 heavily armed terrorists can show up without warning in the middle of Moscow, imagine how many might show up at a Pakistani nuclear weapon storage facility and then do you think the guards at that facility are going to fight them off or help? That, to my mind, is a very open question.

Both the above make clear that just PALs on warheads (which is not certain BTW) are inadequate means to secure Pakistan's nukes and those who guard the Pakistani nuclear facilities are critical links in the chain. If PALs are all it took, why is the US government saying otherwise - in an official document?

The answer is that PALs are just one small safety feature, mainly intended to avoid accidental nuclear war. Who's guarding the facilities is the other key part for which you have no answer. How many Generals you know do sentry duty after getting the stars? Ergo -> I have conclusively proved my point, again, while you can only avoid questions posed to you.

Now, I challenge you yet again:

1. Why have you avoided talking about the nuclear fuel and who' guarding them - both in the warheads as well as in storage facilities?

2. If PALs are all it took to guard nukes, why is the US government spending billions of greenbacks to secure and destroy Russia's nuclear fuel - both in the warheads as well as stored elsewhere?

It is quite clear that you've got nothing other than your color coded BS and bluster and seek to hide behind "forum policy." But the time for your obfuscation is over.

You've been called out and you choose to duck.

35 posted on 01/01/2005 4:34:33 PM PST by Saberwielder
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