KOO KOO!
Posted on 12/26/2004 3:59:12 PM PST by schaketo
Yet another self-absorbed yuppie who think that Christmas is all about how SHE feels. If she spent more time thinking about how OTHERS feel, she might have been able to get more out of Christmas. She didn't have to be on the spending treadmill. She could have chosen to celebrate Christmas as Jesus's birthday, but maybe she didn't really ever believe that anyway, so it's easy to turn away from the holiday.
NATIVE AMERICAN ALERT!!. She can't call herself SATANTA, that was the great chief of the Kiowas, who jumped out of his hopsital bed in Wichita Falls, Texas, and preferred death to being kept under military guard. I would say she needs to find another name, maybe Grinchnette.
So sue me! I'm a Jew! lol
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year anyway :-)
Mark
OKAY, try this. I did all of my shopping at Goodwill and Salvation Army, (never understood why no Salvation Army Bell ringers stand outside of Goodwill?), get gifts that are new and in packages from 1974. Good new books, did shopping for the whole family of 12, and never spent over $20 for everyone. Best Christmas ever, as the kids got to pick their own gift for momma, REAL Pink Elephants, I tell you. NO SPIDERMAN, or SHREK, or I Robots, or latest of Barbie. Loosen up, help Goodwill. The returns on the Dec. 26th I haven't figured out yet.
There is no 'perfect Christmas'. Notice, men don't worry about these things, at least none that I know.
Anton Levay http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/satanism/churchof.html
When I ran a homeless program in Des Moines, Iowa, I found 'Satanic Bibles' on EVERY nightstand at the men's residence hall at the YMCA! No, I'm not joking! That was in 1990.
I watched a tv show the other evening on the origins of Christmas. They talked about the human psychological need for a celebration in the darkness of winter. They also talked about the traditional late fall slaughter of animals so they wouldn't have to be fed during winter. This provided plenty in meat for feast.
A solstice celebration was part of the Mithratic celebration of the birth of the sun god, common during early Christian times. It was also a celebration period in the Norse regions.
Apparently, the English traditional Christmas holiday was a class celebration more like trick or treat, where the worker class demanded food under threat of pranks at the doors of the wealthy. It was a very raucous "adult" celebration. It was not a family celebration.
The Puritans shunned the celebration of Christmas and it was not part of the New World scene. In the mid 19th century, the "Christmas Spirit" of giving and fellowship was shaped by Washington Irving by his modeling of a proper upper class in Bracebridge Hall and Dickens in a Christmas Carol. That is the foundation of much of our modern Christmas celebration as an American culture, separate from the actual Christian religious rituals.
I agree with the tv show in that there is a cultural component to Christmas that is all about relationships and roles. Christmas teaches certain cultural values, commonly called the Christmas spirit. There is also a human need for celebration in darkness, exemplifying hope.
I do not see that there is much public promotion of religious ritual that would violate the First Amendment. Much of Christmas is all about traditional American cultural values and the majority has have every right to publicly promote it.
Yeah I have a dream of a perfect Christmas too, it's the one where I don't have to hear a single story about how some leftist idiot is trying to ban some Christmas related event. It's one where all the Christmas and Christian haters just shut up and go about their business for once. It's one where I hear "Merry Christmas" more than I hear "Happy Kwanzaa".. I'd even rather hear Happy Chanukah, at least THAT'S a legitimate holiday!
"A solstice celebration was part of the Mithratic celebration of the birth of the sun god, common during early Christian times. It was also a celebration period in the Norse regions."
The origins of Christmas are indeed Pagan, the celebration of the birth of the sun God Mithras in the depth of the winter. Mithras came to Rome and the Roman pagan pantheon from India via Persia.
Scholarly explication of the Mithraic myth is available at:
http://www.well.com/user/davidu/mithras.html
KOO KOO!
She's someone who is a slave to appearances, I'll bet.
Bump. If someone needs to give or recieve a "present" on Christmas to make it "worth their while", they should give that HolyDay up, and look to kwanza, quansa, kweemy, cueme, kujo, cojo, buckwheat, whatever.
FMCDH(BITS)
Her father is Anton Levay(sp?).
My gosh, what a great post! Thanks to you and your family for your volunteering, and you are certainly right, repeated viewings of Charlie Brown's Christmas are in order for this silly, bitter woman, so turned off because she couldn't find perfection in this world.
MarkL, you are the kind of person who just makes me SO HAPPY I found FR. Happy Hanukah to you and best wishes for a good new year!
I love the carol from Mister Magoo's Christmas: We need a little Christmas, right this very minute, we need a little Christmas now!
Mega Dittos to that, Awestruck! Sounds like a "perfect" Christmas/Chanukah to me, too. :-)
More on the Pagan and eastern Indian origins of Christmas.
Note the archetypal nature of the contents of the last two paragraphs.
http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/weekly/aa122397b.htm
Love your tagline!
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