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To: n-tres-ted
RE: (1) Demographics.

RE: (2) Peace and Stability.

RE: (3) Social Security and Economic Growth.

RE: (4) No Troops or Walls on the Border!

Thank you you for offering cogent arguments supporting the President. But then you were there as the modern conservative movement developed.

I do not support the "guest worker" plan -- of course no one has seen the details. My Congressman's staff called it the "Fair and Security Immigration Reform" bill but so far nothing more is known apparently.

I am not confident that the host country (that's us) will in fact receive the tax revenue in the out years, point (3). No doubt we will in the beginning if the act becomes law. I am reading a lot about migrant labor all over the world and there are efforts afoot to establish a kind of WTO for migrant labor.

Don't know the actual name for the evolving migrant labor movement but I believe it is something like a developing country's "economic diaspora". Surely the source country will demand something from their "citizens beyond borders." The host country gets their "cheap" labor benefits. Remittances especially "group remittances" are a kind of taxation. I expect the source countries will demand something more formal.

Any kind of formal agreement may make it easier to come under the control of a GATT-like or WTO-like entity.

88 posted on 12/26/2004 5:36:31 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: All
I am against any one-size-fits-all plan. I am against any new laws, actually. Will they be ignored when it suits government and business?

The majority are (IMO) on the books (W-2, 1099) employees. These are likely the people the President is talking about.

I've stated above that IMO, over the years, in effect our own government and businesses virtually invited them, et al. here virtually assuring them they had nothing to fear.

Accept them as PRUCOL, presently residing under the color of law I believe is the term, and track them with their ESF data. No short cuts to green cards or citizenship.

The only OASDI benefit will be a refund of their FICA taxes. Right now even as ILLEGAL immigrants they can get SS checks with enough time.

Another(!) SSN verification system (SSNVS) was supposed to be implemented this month, use it for future hires or else, Mr. Businessman.

Allow no more phony / stolen SSN's in the ESF. Routine matters such as typing errors, name-changes (marriages) are handled already, anything out of the ordinary is a crime; we know who the employer is (from the earnings statement) contact him immediately. Is it really a crime? Find out.

After a certain date treat all ILLEGAL entries as possible terrorists; blast that warning to the world and let the world know that from now on we enforce our immigration laws.

True temporary "guest workers" are candidates for H1B, H2B, etc. IMO.

People working here off the books and criminals are matters for law enforcement.

106 posted on 12/26/2004 7:27:24 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

If the source country really understood economic issues, they (Mexico, particularly) would fix the problems driving their people to us. If they lowered marginal tax rates and privatized such industries as oil (including the ownership of mineral rights), these people would become an asset making their own economies grow, rather than just hungry mouths to feed. Actually, I think these people will get here and get on the bottom rung of the upwardly-mobile ladder.


166 posted on 12/27/2004 5:26:09 PM PST by n-tres-ted (Remember November!)
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