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To: Helms

By the way, Marcuse is also the man who creates the phrase, "Make love, not war."

** How about making love AND war?


10 posted on 12/26/2004 10:03:50 AM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg

Actually, Ovid, Catullus, and Propertius were the originators of the sentiment and I think the phrase, "Make love, not war." But Marcuse gave it new life. As with "Carpe diem," there's an earlier history.

Virgil had already staked out the territory of heroic epic poetry. So the elegiac poets took what was left, namely love, feasting, and decadence.

The rich patron of Propertius told him he wanted some epic poetry because he was tired of love poetry. Propertius answered: "OK, perform some heroic deeds and I'll write an epic about it." His patron declined.


24 posted on 12/26/2004 10:36:03 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: cyborg
How about making love AND war?

:-P

33 posted on 12/26/2004 10:53:34 AM PST by rightwinggoth
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