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Scientist: Asteroid May Hit Earth in 2029
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| 12/23/04
| JOHN ANTCZAK
Posted on 12/23/2004 8:24:16 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: SunkenCiv
If placed in a
Lagrange point near the moon L4 or L5, our local equivalent of Trojan points, it would stay put more or less, and please the survivors of the L5 Society.
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posted on
12/28/2004 7:11:12 PM PST
by
RightWhale
(Destroy the dark; restore the light)
To: Lazamataz
No.
The Mayan calender is based on the Venusian transits of the sun.
Their calender includes this year's transit, but doesn't go past the NEXT Venusian transit, which is in 8 years.
Most observers simply think that their calender was "stopped" around 1100 AD because they didn't see any reason to make one longer than 900 years in the future: After all, would you buy (or carve in stone!) a calender that won't be used for 1000 years from now?
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posted on
12/28/2004 7:11:20 PM PST
by
Robert A Cook PE
(I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
To: hole_n_one
When it comes to destruction, I am a lot more worried about a Islamic nut with a nuclear device then I am about this asteroid. I would dig a big hole in my back yard and build a shelter, but I figure with the universe's dark sense of humor the thing would land right on me.
To: SunkenCiv
The thought of it doesn't bother me in the least. I'll be in my 50's then, and past my prime. Would be interesting to see how the world would react to a certain end date in sight. Even more interesting would be how we would try to stop it.
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posted on
12/28/2004 7:20:08 PM PST
by
KoRn
To: Lazamataz
The Mayan calendar has a "sun" (currently the fifth sun) which lasts more than 5000 years. The Venusian cycle is just one thing they kept track of. The main basis of their calendar was a 260 day period, along with a 365 day (ordinary solar year, pretty much) period.
Professor Says Mayan Calendar Does Not Portend Earth's Doom (2012AD)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/815326/posts
see also the "in reply to" link from this message. :')
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posted on
12/28/2004 7:21:00 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
To: KoRn
I think Squanto (above) has the right idea. ;')
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posted on
12/28/2004 7:22:25 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
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posted on
12/28/2004 7:26:20 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
To: tortoise
Not sure I'd remarked on your tagline -- "All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain." Probably did in another thread, it kinda comes back to me. I like the narration version better, and have seen that movie more than anything besides "The Wizard of Oz". :') It's a lame-oid thing, but I can't seem to look away. Nothing much like the book though. ;')
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posted on
12/28/2004 7:29:56 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/2004mn4.html
"Analysis based on 139 observations spanning 287.71 days (2004-Mar-15.1104 to 2004-Dec-27.8243)... computed on Dec 28, 2004"
The earliest date now is 4-13-2053, the last 4-14-2103. Watch the page at that link, it will probably change a lot from day to day.
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posted on
12/28/2004 7:32:34 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
To: RightWhale
"the survivors of the L5 Society"... heh... "that concludes the reading of the minutes. Yes, Bob? Wait. What's that droning sound?" [blam!]
Earth Trojan asteroids: a study in support of observational searches
http://www.astro.uwo.ca/~wiegert/preprints/pp7.html
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posted on
12/28/2004 7:34:45 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
To: Cold Heat
No point in worrying about it. I just live one day at a time anyway.
Hell, the core of the planet could vent enough gas one day to poison the atmosphere, the sun could go into a phase that destroys all life, or a black hole could swallow us up.
I had a fair day today, hope to had a better one tomorrow, but if it all ends tonight I will go gracefully. My only regret being that I did not learn how to be at peace with myself sooner.
I grew up fearing atomic bombs during the cold war. After that, nothing much bugs me anymore.
I think you hit upon something. I've gotten into online debates with people much younger than me, say around 20 or so and when they bring up worrying about things like "global warming" and so on, they are surprised I just shrug it off. I'm 38 and I grew up during the Cold War, well, the later part of it and I do remember the days when Red China was lighting up nukes and the clouds going around the Earth twice and the Strontium 90 scares from them. A lot of the "yung uns" go apecrazy about the War on Terror and although there are many differences between that and the Cold War, there are many similarities too and I think me growing up during the Cold War helps me keep my head.
Well, let me further point out the "yung uns" I talk about are left of center too, usually so I want to make sure I'm not stepping on any toes of young conservatives who do "get it."
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posted on
12/28/2004 8:01:29 PM PST
by
Nowhere Man
(We have enough youth, how about a Fountain of Smart?)
To: SunkenCiv
Good news, tortoise! The object is back to "1" on the Torino scale. I'd almost lost hope! Yeah, but delivery has been moved from 13 April 2029 to 13 April 2053. I'll be 102 years old! Wot phun iz dat?
To: hole_n_one
I just put this on my list of "things to worry about". It's entry #5,926.
To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Yeah, that is quite a long wait. I'll be 94, going on 95. I guess the good news here is, there may be further refinement of the trajectory, bringing it back closer to us in time. And there's always those other, undiscovered threats from the skies. :')
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posted on
12/28/2004 9:08:56 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
To: RightWhale
If placed in a Lagrange point near the moon L4 or L5, our local equivalent of Trojan points, it would stay put more or less, and please the survivors of the L5 Society. I thnk it would be a lot easier to capture it into an earth orbit. The initial orbit would not need to be circular or anything even close. Even a highly eliptical earth orbit would mean frequent revisits and a chance to circularize the orbit at our leisure.
To: RightWhale
Several have suggested, and of course I have renewed my own long-standing proposal, to capture this asteroid and do something useful with the material. Absolutely. It would probably make a nice display in a museum. Or, perhaps, a sculpture at the new WTC site.
Make a darn fine paperweight,too, I'd assume.
To: SunkenCiv
Torino scale? Wazzat? Does that have something to do with a Ford Torino, Gran Torino, or Torino GT?
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posted on
12/29/2004 9:59:23 AM PST
by
sully777
(our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
To: sully777
178
posted on
12/29/2004 2:04:27 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
To: Minuteman23; Lonesome in Massachussets; tortoise
It's still at a Torino "1", but the dates have changed.
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/2004mn4.html
The only date with a "1" is the 2053 encounter. Of course, these calculations don't take into account the very slight changes in trajectory from each encounter with the Earth. IOW, it will have to be revised regardless of the latest data (such as that which we'll all have tomorrow).
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posted on
12/29/2004 2:09:05 PM PST
by
SunkenCiv
("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
To: SunkenCiv
That's a beauty. I'm partial to the fastback Torino GT though. Got a pic? Later 4dr Gran Torinos looked like oinkers!
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posted on
12/29/2004 2:34:36 PM PST
by
sully777
(our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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