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To: Lukasz

I’m even not shocked that you admire Stalin “achievements” but if you expect that Poles will be grateful for his participation in our past, you are simply wrong, you should go search fools in other place.===

Stalin was SOVIET leader and this one made him figure which I'm NOT admiring. I do NOT like soviet past of Russia where she was under oppression.
Remeber that commies came to power in Soviet Union after bloody civil war where russian national side unfortunately lost.

I just emphasize for you that I don't like Stalin but it was Stalin who did for Poland lot of things. Like saved it from total annaulation by hitlerites.

Now you poles conviniently forgot WHO just saved asses of your grandies. If not Stalin we don't have this discussion today since for there won't be partner for me from your side since there would be the peopleless territory which we call Poland today. Just maybe few poles who served as servants of german masters.
Then same Stalin presented to Poland new territories like never was polish. The part of eastern Prussia and Danzig.
So I suggest that poles gratify Stalin.

For me Stalin bloody dictator who throwed lives of russian soldiers for someone who never deserved it. But for you he was a savior of your people.


60 posted on 12/26/2004 3:40:45 PM PST by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
But for you he was a savior of your people

:-) Yes he gave us, death, poverty and communism plus free travels to Siberia. Not mention grabbed land.

Germans were weak, they would lost Germany soon because of Americans. Practically if Stalin would stop on the polish-soviet border, that fact would not change the fact of the German defeat. But he wanted Poland…

Don’t forget that partially also thanks to Poland Stalin may won the war. Not mention German losses in early stages of WWII in Poland. Home Army destroyed around 7000 German train transports to eastern front, train’s bridges and all kind of sabotages, information about German plans from polish intelligence (plus enigma). Many times Germans decided that their trains should avoid Poland and this cost a lot of time. Polish army under general Berling fought in Staliningrad, polish soldiers in the West also have a some part of worth. Especially polish marines who provide American and British weapons to the Soviet ports.

Be grateful cause you didn’t deserved for this help!
61 posted on 12/27/2004 6:30:15 AM PST by Lukasz (Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
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