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To: BikerNYC

We already have it...Independence Day.

16 posted on 12/23/2004 8:53:04 AM PST by BikerNYC
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Actually you are sadly mistaken. Independence day is a Day that we Americans celebrate our Independence from the King of England for a More free Nation in which we enumerate out rights endowed by our Creator.

Read the Constitution once. You'll find it quite full of little tidbits that will drive Secular folks nuts.


60 posted on 12/23/2004 9:59:12 AM PST by Area51
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To: Area51
Read the Constitution once. You'll find it quite full of little tidbits that will drive Secular folks nuts.

What? What in the Consitution would drive the Secular folks nuts?

69 posted on 12/23/2004 10:06:56 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: Area51
On the contrary, there was heated debate during the days when the Constitution was being considered for ratification as to whether or not the document should acknowledge God as the supreme source of legitimate governmental power. The Articles of Confederation mentioned "the Great Governor of the World" but the Constitution does not.

Many religious folk protested greatly the absence of God in the Constitution. One Reverend in NY, a Federalist, declared the absence of God in the Constitution "an omission which no pretext whatever can palliate." Others denounced the Constitution's lack of acknowledgment to God in harsher tones.

There were numerous attempts by state ratifying conventions to amend the Constitution and declare that governmental power was derived from God or Jesus Christ, but all the amendments were defeated.

Instead, the preamble of the Constitution as written, stating that the ultimate authority for legitimate governmental power is "We the People," and doing away with the theological idea of government, remained intact. The United States represented the birth of the first modern secular state.
91 posted on 12/23/2004 10:25:32 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: Area51
Read the Constitution once. You'll find it quite full of little tidbits that will drive Secular folks nuts.

Which tidbits are those? (Except for the date.)

The Constitution is a remarkably secular document. Unlike the Constitutions of nearly all of the States, it does not invoke God in the preamble (or, indeed, anywhere in the text.) It does not include "so help me God" in the President's oath of office. It never requires any oaths, in fact, always offering the alternative of an "affirmation." And it forbids any "religious test" for federal office, at a time when most states limited officeholders to Christians (in some states, to Protestants). Plus, there's the First Amendment.

117 posted on 12/23/2004 11:13:03 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Area51
Read the Constitution once

I've read it countless times. Where's the reference to the Christian god? What in it should drive secular folks nuts?

203 posted on 12/23/2004 7:38:06 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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