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To: risk
" --- the framers of the Constitution derived an independent government out of Enlightenment thinking.

Our Founders paid little heed to political beliefs about Christianity.
And while we inherited common law from Great Britain, this law clearly derived from pre-Christian Saxons and cannot be seen as a simple codification of biblical Scripture."
253 jones






That's true for many of them.

The universalists and deists (none of whom were secular humanists!) among our founding fathers got along fine with the hellfire and brimstone Puritans.

That should teach us a lesson.
255 risk






It seems that the lesson of Constitutional religious tolerance must be be learned anew by every generation.

We are presently engaged in fighting a war with religious fanatics.
We cannot win such a war by acting intolerant, -- like them.

-- Just as we didn't win WWII by becoming socialist fanatics.
256 posted on 12/24/2004 3:53:35 PM PST by jonestown ( Merry Christmas from JONESTOWN, TX)
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To: jonestown; B4Ranch

I agree with you JT. I also agree with our founding fathers that the ethics and moral clarity that come from our religious traditions are important to our overall cohesiveness and vitality. That has to come from within individuals and their families, however.

The claim is that we can't fight the attack on marriage and our cultural heritage without "unsecularizing" our government. I think that shows a certain lack of imagination. Tar and feathers may be a better tool to deploy against our internal foes than turning America into a theocracy as Roy Moore, Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson would like to do. I admit that the battle against all vestiges of Christianity led by the ACLU, multiculturalists, and the vanguard of the homo agenda are vexing. But when isn't freedom and the rule of law under attack? Instead of being shocked or reactionary, we should forge ahead and crush this move against America's families and its unity with our own media.

All across America the rule of law is under attack. We seem to be losing our stomach for enforcing our laws, starting with the second amendment. That much change, or we'll lose what our forefathers gained for us. We need to be fierce in defending the status quo.

Tar and feathers was used in the Colonies as a way of marking tyrants and shysters in a way that was difficult to remove as they faced exile from one region to another. We can use cyberspace to do much the same. We need to mark anti-American media, politicians, multi-national corporations, educators, and civil administrators by documenting their destructive impact on our country.

On a related note, Illegal immigration and offshoring are neutralizing and dispersing our R&D, manufacturing prowess, and shrinking our demand for domestic labor -- skilled and otherwise. Could we even manufacture fighters or military computers if Taiwan fell to mainland China, for example? What are our "Christian" legislators doing about these problems? I'm waiting...


258 posted on 12/24/2004 4:12:05 PM PST by risk
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