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To: weegee
My church will be impacted as they have to defend themselves from ACLU lawsuits for refusing to violate biblical teachings by refusing to perform same sex ceremonies. Some churches will embracy sodomy and run off faithful church members who find problems with homosexuality and abortion advocacy in church.

My society will be impacted as same sex couples push for adoption of children they might have been denied in the past. Those adults may consent to live in an alternative lifestyle but that child has rights too and they will be ignored so that a homosexual couple can have a kid. Decades later many of them will still be going through counselling.

Frankly, I don't think ACLU would be involved in such matters because the argument concerns what civil authority does, not religious institutions. In the history of the ACLU, can you tell me of any case where the ACLU has intervened when the dispute was entirely within a Church as opposed to a religious issue involving expenditure of public funds?

With respect to adoption: as I am sure you know, gay couples already have a track record with respect to raising children---both their own children or adopted children.

Perhaps you can contribute to this discussion by citing some studies which establish that gay parents are less likely to produce happy, well-adjusted, successful children and, instead, they produce troubled kids who require counselling? For example, can you cite any studies that show children raised by gay parents are more likely to drop out of school or use alcohol and drugs or engage in criminal activity, etc. etc?

Incidentally, just out of curiosity, does anyone have an explanation for why so many prominent families known for their conservative and Christian beliefs nonetheless have gay children? Some examples that spring into mind: Phyllis Schlafly's son, John Schmitz's son, Dick Cheney's daughter.

323 posted on 12/23/2004 12:49:36 PM PST by Ernie.cal
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To: Ernie.cal
Incidentally, just out of curiosity, does anyone have an explanation for why so many prominent families known for their conservative and Christian beliefs nonetheless have gay children? Some examples that spring into mind: Phyllis Schlafly's son, John Schmitz's son, Dick Cheney's daughter.

Youthful rebellion and indoctrination.

Of course, the expection often proves the rule...

325 posted on 12/23/2004 12:51:31 PM PST by Luircin (Proudly ex-gay)
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To: Ernie.cal
Frankly, I don't think ACLU would be involved in such matters because the argument concerns what civil authority does, not religious institutions. In the history of the ACLU, can you tell me of any case where the ACLU has intervened when the dispute was entirely within a Church as opposed to a religious issue involving expenditure of public funds?

Ahhhhh....public funds....who funds the ACLU? Mostly small municipal governments they have sued, after carefully cherry-picking the local liberal judges....I note that when the ACLU loses the expensive litigation, they do NOT reimburse the winner for legal costs....but demand to be paid when THEY win....

Yes, the good ole ACLU...

330 posted on 12/23/2004 12:57:52 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Ernie.cal

Here is the ACLU intervening in an issue over private (predominantely Christian) schools

Local Muslim school taken aback by letter (Houston)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1307183/posts


361 posted on 12/23/2004 1:32:49 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Ernie.cal

Currently Americans can adopt children from China (which has a "one child" policy among families over there, leading to abortion and infanticide, often if the child is a girl).

The Chinese do not place their children into the homes of homosexual couples.

Should the program be dropped altogether or will the Chinese have to be "brought in line" with our cultural excesses?


367 posted on 12/23/2004 1:39:35 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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