Posted on 12/23/2004 7:40:45 AM PST by Ernie.cal
Please specify the source for your claim that "40% of all sexual child abuse" is committed by gays. There isn't a lot literature on this subject but a couple studies you might like to review are as follows:
In a 1994 review of 352 medical records of children evaluated for sexual abuse during a 12-month period at a Denver children’s hospital, Dr. Carole Jenny found that less than one percent of the abused children in her study were abused by a gay man or a lesbian.
Of 269 adult perpetrators of child abuse identified among the 352 cases of abuse, only two (or 0.07 percent) were gay or lesbian. Jenny noted that the vast majority of the children in the sample, or 82 percent, “were suspected of being abused by a man or a woman who was, or had been, in a heterosexual relationship with a relative of the child.”
Jenny concluded that in this sample, “a child’s risk of being molested by his or her relative’s heterosexual partner is over 100 times greater than by someone who might be identifiable as being homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual.”
Gays and lesbians may be less likely than heterosexuals to sexually abuse children. Two studies that examined the sexual orientation of child molesters found that less than one percent, in one study, and zero percent, in the other, were lesbian or gay. [D. Finkelhor (1994). Current information on the scope and nature of child sexual abuse. The Future of Children: Sexual Abuse of Children, 4(2), 31-53.]
Also see: M.R. Stevenson (2000). Public policy, homosexuality, and the sexual coercion of children. Journal of Psychology & Human Sexuality, 12(4), 1-19.
Stevenson reviewed the existing social science literature on the relationship between sexuality and child sexual abuse and found that “a gay man is no more likely than a straight man to perpetrate sexual activity with children.”
Judith: So what should be our public policy regarding men and women who are HIV-positive or have AIDS?
Oh please Judith, let me take this one!!
They should STOP WILLFULLY SPREADING IT!!!! Use protection and AIDS will die!!!!!!!!! Gay men have openly stated they don't, its not "loving" well neither is AIDS, but yet they call that the "gift"
I think it'd be too frustrating for them to each be having different sex. They should pick a kind of sex to have and stick to it. Both of them.
If they want some variety that's ok, they can do a different kind of sex when they feel like it. But they should both do it IMHO.
Huh??? If I understand your comment correctly, you are saying that as awareness of gays increases, more and more children "choose" to become gay? And, consequently, there will be a dramatic decline in birth rates?
Awareness of gays!? No, I'm AWARE of communism and the chance of agreeing with or accepting communism is zero,nadda,zip.However...if I were exposed to communism in a favorable, accepting,indoctrinating environment,as an empressionable child,my decision would be different.
As an adult that has been raised by moral,freedom loving parents,I agree with,accept and live with that.I can enforce and defend that position.Any attack by Homosexuals,communists,socialists,etc,are not directed at me but at what I believe in and stand for.Thats why everyone wants the children.
As for declining birth rates, yes.Lets take a hypothetical situation. Two identical islands. I drop off ten homosexuals and their partners. The second island, I drop off ten heterasexuals and their partners. I come back a century later. What will I find?
If you accept this, you will accept anything and that is dangerous to society.
Acceptance of deviancy is the hallmark of the destruction of every great society throught history.
By accepting this stupid idea of GAY marrage, you are defining deviancy down...so that anything would be acceptable.
If GAY marrage, then why not this or that........
Not unless they slept with someone who was bi-sexual
As you can see from some of the messages in this thread, simply "being in the closet" is NOT sufficient for some folks. Some folks don't want gays to be employed in a long list of what they consider "sensitive" occupations.
You are woefully mis-informed if you think I am being ridiculous to ask the questions I did. Even your relatively benign message suggests that gays should hide themselves as if it is a shameful condition. I am reminded of JFK's speech when he asked our countrymen to consider "who among us would be content to be a Negro?" if the government of our country did not protect Negro rights as vigorously as when white Americans had a grievance. Why is YOUR formula just and reasonable, i.e. "They don't belong in public, at work, or on the television."
I have seen letters-to-the-editor by self-proclaimed "Christians" which said persons infected with HIV should be allowed to die because "they got what they deserved". So, let's not pretend that "gays already had acceptance".
More to the point, if people in your community advocated "biblical" punishment for gays, would you stand up and defend the rights of gays even if your neighbors attacked YOU as morally suspect because you were too gay-friendly? I think not. You would be happy to be rid of the "sick, perverted, immoral" gays!
344 posted on 12/23/2004 1:14:20 PM PST by Ernie.cal
You may have been discussing that, but I wasn't. Is it bigotry to regard homosexuality as aberrant? Is it bigotry to point out the health risks of homosexual practices? Is it bigotry to have a moral and religious foundation that regards the aggressive homosexual agenda as evil?
Lets see. If you put 100 gay guys on a island that they could not get off, with plenty of food etc. and come back in 100 yrs. How many gay guys would be left!
Gay lifestyles cannot survive!!!!
"How many of you have ever stood up to defend an unpopular cause or person...and risked community disapproval or worse?"
Well, I have. I was a Freedom rider, I was in many civil rights marches, I worked on many committees to assist equal pay standards for Blacks and women, and alot more. That is how things change. We didn't analyze why some people hated Blacks or thought women were stupid. We simply brought attention to the problem and worked to persuade those who were open minded until we had convinced the majority.
You seem to think that by analyzing those who oppose something you will change them. There will always be people who will never change. Rather then spend hours analyzing these people on this forum, perhaps you could go out and work to convince those who are more open. Maybe even at the disapproval of the community?
We were having a similar discussion in another forum. We agreed that people need to be educated one on one and one at a time. That's a small, but important cog in the wheel of change.
Let me start by saying that not all homosexuals are pedophiles but the key here is proportion. Including bisexuals, homosexuals account for 2.1% of the population, yet account for 35% of all child molestations:
Child Molestation and HomosexualityCheck the datasources as some studies were much higher (into the 70% range) I believe Stevenson was discredited but don't have the link at this time and can't remember about Finkelhor, and I may have that reversed.
Homosexual Rape and Murder of Children
Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse
Homosexuality and child molestation: the link, the likelihood, the lasting effects.
It does start out that way. But strident attacks and outlandish actions don't work. It wasn't the Black Panthers who accomplished equal civil rights. It was the many, many peaceful activists. I often wonder if Gays are their own worst enemy.
Bob's story is of a boy who grew up with an older brother who was more athletic than he was. Bob was confused growing up as he watched his brother get more of his fathers attention and he longed to be loved in the same way.
Eventually, Bob married and had two daughters, but while married he found himself thinking homosexual thoughts and eventually entered into a 3-year homosexual relationship. About the time Bob broke off his relationshop with his homosexual partner, he noticed his ex-partner was slowing getting sick. It turns out his ex-partner had AIDS and died shortly after that. This was in the mid 1980s.
Unfortunately Bob got AIDS, too, and had to tell his wife and family how he got AIDS. Of course, and I'm sure you can imagine, this devastasted his family.
Still, they stayed together and their love for each other has grown beyond anything they've ever experienced. And Bob no longer has any homosexual thoughts.
There are many sad parts to the story, which offers insights and perspectives into the homosexual lifestyle never seen on TV or movies. The movie reminded me of our much needed compassion for homosexuals and how we have to reach them with the truth.
Bob is one of the tens of thousands of former homosexuals.
Woooooooohoooooooo lets just let you post that over and over and over and over!!!! WELL SAID! I think I heard a hearty loud thunderous applause!
Your children are raised with YOUR values which they got from home and church. Consequently, it doesn't make any difference how many times they confront pro-gay literature, or demonstrations, or TV programs, or whatever -- because they will reject it as inapplicable or unacceptable in their lives.
That's why I don't understand why you folks are so upset about all this. Leaving aside all the bigotry that has been revealed by some people posting messages here---and just concentrating on the LEGITIMATE concerns people expressed----what possible impact could any of this have on you or your families since you will be immune to any gay-friendly proposals and your kids will reject them too IF they assimilate YOUR values and YOUR perspective.
So, your kids won't watch TV programs or movies with gay characters. They won't read literature by gay authors. They won't vote for politicians who seek gay endorsements and financial support. They will refuse to attend events that celebrate gay men or women. They won't attend churches that welcome gays. So WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
Child Abuse
41. The Washington Times reported that 8 out of every 10 homosexuals court-martialed by the U.S. Army for sexual misconduct between 1898 and the fall of 1993 had engaged in sexual assaults against their victims. Of these 102 assault cases, nearly half involved the molestation of children. (Dennis A. Wheeler, "The Legacy of Sodom," World News Digest, October 19, 1993)
42. The 1995 Massachusetts Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance found that gay, lesbian, and bisexual orientation was associated with having had sexual intercourse before the age of 13, with having four or more partners in a lifetime, and with having experienced sexual contact against one’s will. (R. Garofalo et al., "The Association between Health Risk Behaviors and Sexual Orientation Among a School-based Sample of Adolescents," Pediatrics 101 [1998]: 895-902.)
43. A study of 425 homosexual males, ages 17 to 22, reported that 41.4% reported an occasion of forced sex. Seventy-nine of the boys reported beginning anal sex with men when they were ages 3 to 14. Of these, 15.2% were already HIV-positive. (Lemp, G., Hirozawa, A., Givertz, D., Nieri, G., Anderson, L., Linegren, M., Janssen, R., Katx, M. (1994) Seroprevalence of HIV and Risk Behaviors Among Young Homosexual and Bisexual Men. Journal of the American Medical Association. 272, 6: 449:454.)
44. "29% of the adult children of homosexual parents had been specifically subjected to sexual molestation by that homosexual parent, compared to only 0.6% of adult children of heterosexual parents. Having a homosexual parent(s) appears to increase the risk of incest with a parent by a factor of about 50." (P. Cameron and K. Cameron, "Homosexual Parents," Adolescence 31 (1996): 772)
45. "Individuals from 1% to 3% of the population that are sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children." (Timothy J. Dailey, Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse, http://www.frc.org/get/is02e3.cfm)
46. Researchers Karla Jay and Allen Young report data showing that 73% of homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys 16-19 years of age or younger. (Karla Jay and Allen Young, The Gay Report: Lesbians and Gay Men Speak Out about Sexual Experiences and Lifestyles (New York: Summit Books, 1979), p. 275)
47. While many homosexuals do not seek out young sexual partners, evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of homosexual men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners. (Zebulon A. Silverthorne & Vernon L. Quinsey, "Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women," p. 73)
48. "Incest was more common among bisexuals and homosexuals of both sexes" than among heterosexuals. While less than 0.8% of heterosexual males reported have had sex with a brother, 12% of homosexuals reported having had sex with at least one brother. (Study of more than 9,100 adults in U.S. metropolitan areas) (Paul Cameron, and Kirk Cameron "Does Incest Cause Homosexuality?" Psychological Reports. Vol. 76, Number . , 1995. Page(s) 611-621)
49. A study of male child sex offenders found that 14% targeted only males, and 28% chose males as well as females as victims, thus indicating that 42% of male pedophiles engaged in homosexual molestation. (Michele Elliott, "Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What Offenders Tell Us," Child Abuse and Neglect 19 (1995): 581)
50. A study in Archives of Sexual Behavior found that homosexual men are attracted to young males. The study compared the sexual age preferences of heterosexual men, heterosexual women, homosexual men, and lesbians. The results showed that, in marked contrast to the other three categories, "all but 9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories," which included males as young as age 15. (Zebulon A. Silverthorne & Vernon L. Quinsey, "Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women," p. 73)
51. A study of 229 convicted child molesters found that "86% of offenders against males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual." ( W. D. Erickson, "Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters," Archives of Sexual Behavior 17 (1988): 83)
52. In a 1999 Journal of Homosexuality, author Helmut Graupner claims: "Man/boy and woman/girl relations without doubt are same-sex relations and they do constitute an aspect of gay and lesbian life." Graupner argues that, as such, consensual sexual relations between adult homosexuals and youths as young as fourteen qualifies as a "gay rights issue." (Helmut Graupner, "Love Versus Abuse: Crossgenerational Sexual Relations of Minors: A Gay Rights Issue?" Journal of Homosexuality 37 (1999): 23, 26)
53. The Archives of Sexual Behavior reports: "One of the most salient findings of this study is that 46% of homosexual men and 22% of homosexual women reported having been molested by a person of the same gender. This contrasts to only 7% of heterosexual men and 1% of heterosexual women reporting having been molested by a person of the same gender." (Marie, E. Tomeo, et al., "Comparative Data of Childhood and Adolescence Molestation in Heterosexual and Homosexual Persons," Archives of Sexual Behavior 30 (2001): 539)
54. A study of 279 homosexual/bisexual men with AIDS and control patients reported: "More than half of both case and control patients reported a sexual act with a male by age 16 years, approximately 20% by age 10 years." (Harry W. Haverkos, et al., "The Initiation of Male Homosexual Behavior," The Journal of the American Medical Association 262 (July 28, 1989): 501)
55. Noted child sex abuse expert David Finkelhor found that "boys victimized by older men were over four times more likely to be currently engaged in homosexual activity than were non-victims. The finding applied to nearly half the boys who had had such an experience . . . Further, the adolescents themselves often linked their homosexuality to their sexual victimization experiences." (Bill Watkins & Arnon Bentovim, "The Sexual Abuse of Male Children and Adolescents: A Review of Current Research," Journal of Child Psychiatry 33 (1992); in Byrgen Finkelman, Sexual Abuse (New York: Garland Publishing, 1995), p. 316)
56. A study in the International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology found: "In the case of childhood sexual experiences prior to the age of fourteen, 40% (of the pedophile sample) reported that they had engaged 'very often' in sexual activity with an adult, with 28% stating that this type of activity had occurred 'sometimes.'" (Gary A. Sawle, Jon Kear-Colwell, "Adult Attachment Style and Pedophilia: A Developmental Perspective," International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology 45 (February 2001): 6)
57. A National Institute of Justice report states that "the odds that a childhood sexual abuse victim will be arrested as an adult for any sex crime is 4.7 times higher than for people . . . who experienced no victimization as children." (Cathy Spatz Widom, "Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse - Later Criminal Consequences," Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse Series: NIJ Research in Brief, (March 1995): 6)
58. A Child Abuse and Neglect study found that 59% of male child sex offenders had been victims of contact sexual abuse as a child." (Michele Elliott, "Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What Offenders Tell Us," Child Abuse and Neglect 19 (1995): 582)
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