[zarf]

The US cannot "win" this. We must get Iraq to the elections and then pull out.

[muawiyah]

Compared to virtually any other conflict in our history, there's almost nothing happening in Iraq. 60 years ago we were losing 500 soldiers a day in a single battle in the Ardennes!

For the most part Iraq has been pacified and life for everyone has improved tremendously. For one thing, Saddam Hussein is locked up and no one is getting tossed into plastic shredders anymore!

I have never seen so much defeatism arise out of so few problems in my life. Sounds like life is simply too difficult for some folks to live. May I recommend to them that they get out there old trusty bayonet, find a bowl, fill it with water, get a couple of towels, and then put an end to it all with a dignified traditional ceremony.

The rest of us can then get on with securing Iraq without all the moaning and groaning.

[muawiyah]

Besides the defeatism in your post, there's also profound ignorance being expressed. You know very well we can reduce the entirity of Iraq to fused glass if we wish.

So, what is this "can't win" stuff?