Posted on 12/22/2004 9:14:02 AM PST by anotherview
Dec. 22, 2004 18:13
Settlers with orange badges forced out of Knesset
By JPOST.COM STAFF
Residents of the Gush Katif settlements bloc, joined by other Israelis protesting the disengagement plan, were asked to leave the Knesset Wednesday afternoon after several demonstrators placed on their cloths an orange Star of David.
The settlers new orange-badge campaign is aimed at shocking public opinion and crying out "against the uprooting of Jews from their homes." During the Holocaust, Jews were forced to wear a yellow Star of David.
Knesset guards ordered the protestors to leave the compound.
The settlers arrived at the Knesset to meet with members of the National Religious Party, and put on the badges as they were leaving the meeting.
I really feel this will backfire on the extremists in the settler movement who do this sort of protest.
I agree with you, but it backfiring is a good thing to me. Many of the settlers are extremist nuts. Sharon should just set a date and say that after that date there will be no more troops protecting settlers in Gaza.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Israel all of the territory from the Mediterranean to the Jordan and from the Sinai to (and including) the Golan Heights?
The left in Israel always refers to their opponents as Nazis. The Israelis who hate the settlers are going to find their victory over them very short term. If you think the Arabs will be so grateful that we kicked our own people in the teeth they will be reasonable you are kidding yourself. They will just see that as the beginning of a trend. They see Jews running away from them, a huge victory for the terrorists. The real problem is that Jews in Israel (especially the left) are ambivalent about their right and determination to live in Israel. They have doubts about whether they should be victorious over the savages. Nothing good will come from this.
That is what the American press would have you believe. In Gaza it's pretty well true. Not so in Judea and Samaria where most of the settlers moved for inexpensive housing, much of it convenient to Jerusalem.
I don't see the Gaza disengagement as a concession but rather a tactical decision not to try to control two million hostile Arabs and to place the IDF in a better position to defend Israel.
What are borders are or should be is a subject of much debate. The Jewish people in what is now Israel accepted the Peel Commission report in 1937 and U.N. General Assembly Resolution 181 in 1947 to partition the western part of what was Palestine (the area west of the Jordan) based on demographics. The Arabs have never accepted this. I personally believe that demographics and defense are still the best basis for determining our borders. We certainly will never return to the 1949 armistice line, the so-called "Green Line", which was indefensible.
If one speaks of religious beliefs, the land promised to the Jewish people includes all of present Israel but NOT most of Gaza. It also includes western Jordan, southern Lebanon, and southwestern Syria. Of course,
If one speaks historically the ancient Jewish kingdoms rarely controlled the area that is now Gaza.
I agree with you.
Gaza is not necessary for security or religous reasons.
Even Anwar Sadat refuse to take back Gaza. Just wall it off and let the palesites seethe among themselves.
For years Gaza was seen as the prototype of the security fence. Now we realize that we forgot to put mobile hands on the fence that would knock down missiles. We have had suicide bombings at the crossing into Israel. Unless Gaza could be made into an island and floated a hundred miles out into the Mediterranean we cannot seal it off and forget about it. The Jews will need to pacify and deNazify it. Gaza was largely pacified until Arafat came back and they were emboldened to believe the Jews were in retreat. It is not the 8 thousand Jewish neighbors that got the pot boiling.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Israel all of the territory from the Mediterranean to the Jordan and from the Sinai to (and including) the Golan Heights?
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With respect to Gaza...
The Gaza District is indisputably an integral part of Eretz Yisrael (the Land of Israel) - The majority of Talmudic sages regard the Nile as the western border of Israel. But even if, as a minority of Talmudic sages believe, the western border is Wadi El Arish, there is no doubt that the entire Gaza District is part and parcel of the Jewish homeland.
"On that day, G-d made with Abram a covenant saying, 'To your seed, I have given this land from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates." (Genesis 15:18)
Since the Bible clearly defines the southwestern boundary of the Land of Israel as the "river of Egypt," the Gaza District is indisputably an integral part of the Jewish homeland.
The Torah (the first five books of the Jewish Bible) and the rest of the Tanach (Bible) repeatedly emphasize that Israel's southwestern boundary is the "river of Egypt." (See Numbers 34:5; Joshua 15:4; and Isaiah 27:12.)
And of course what the opposition here fails to mention is if (G-d forbid) these "expendable" areas are made Judenrein because "it makes sense," then another area of Israel has just become the most "expendable" and of course it "just makes sense" to give that up as well.
Continue until the arabs are appeased.
What will you do when kassams hit Sderot to the point of enough is enough? Will you recommend evacuating Sderot?
The badges are offensive and are causing a major outcry. It is insulting and offensive to the memory of those who died and the lives of those who survived the Holocaust.
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To those who don't know: Some orange badge protestors are HOLOCAUST SURVIVIORS.
And for some this will be their THIRD EXPULSION.
#1 was the Holocaust.
#2 was Yamit by the Beast Sharon.
#3 (G-d forbid) may be Gush Katif.
Sharon & Peres are death for Israel.
I do not think such a vile population could be dejihadified in a short time.
Here is an analogy of what is happening in Israel, if it were done in America:
The equivilant in America to this action would be the ethnically cleansing of 0.2 percent of the US population based on religion (say Christianity for example). All the while the Left wing International and Domestic Press calls the ethnically cleansed Christians 'crazy' fanatics.
Then the homes and land of the ethnically cleansed US citizens would then be handed over to Al Quida terrorists, who would occupy the homes in accordence with how many US citizens they murdered.
Those terrorists that murdered the most Americans would get the best, most expensive homes, and would proceed to actually move in and live in the very homes belonging to the countrymen, families, and members of the towns and cities of the very people they murdered.
Since this is what the Palestinian terrorist organizations are planning. I hope Israel comes to its senses and the citizen soldiers refuse criminally illegal orders to ethnically cleanse their countrymen.
Food for thought.
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