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To: Hemingway's Ghost

OK that part I dont get- why are we (conservatives?) against a national ID card? With computers and databases designed the way they are it would simpify a lot of things. I dont get the 'loss of freedom' argument.


38 posted on 12/22/2004 10:35:28 AM PST by Mr. K (I support a strong defense policy, but see no reason to conduct it while sober.)
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To: Mr. K
OK that part I dont get- why are we (conservatives?) against a national ID card? With computers and databases designed the way they are it would simpify a lot of things. I dont get the 'loss of freedom' argument.

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39 posted on 12/22/2004 11:17:18 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Mr. K
OK that part I dont get- why are we (conservatives?) against a national ID card? With computers and databases designed the way they are it would simpify a lot of things. I dont get the 'loss of freedom' argument.

I can't speak for anyone else, but trying to issue a new form of ID would be a huge waste of time and money. For them to be worth anything at all the Feds would have to require that you can prove who you say you are. We all know the hijackers had fraudulently obtained drivers licenses, so using those as a starting point wouldn't work. Now, if you were to fingerprint (maybe DNA sample too) each baby at birth and issue an ID for all babies born in 2005 on, you'd stand a good chance of having a secure, reliable system. Otherwise it's just dressing up a failed system.

42 posted on 12/22/2004 11:32:32 AM PST by whd23
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Mr. K said: "I dont get the 'loss of freedom' argument."

Most government mischief depends upon being able to identify people to control the flow of confiscated earnings to the "entitled". Without the entitlements, there is no reason for the confiscation.

The most legitimate governmental reason to identify people is to control who is able to vote. The importance of this need would diminish greatly if our government were limited to the reasons that our Founders used to justify government.

Many of us who are more libertarian than "conservative" don't really care how many illegal immigrants cross the border. Without minimum wages, public education, state-mandated health care, public housing and welfare, there would hardly be a problem.

Please tell us what freedoms depend upon you being able to identify yourself.

47 posted on 12/22/2004 2:41:25 PM PST by William Tell
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