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To: Quix
You said: It is that simple. The return of Christ is the finality of life on earth as we all know it! There are no options for anyone following that.

I find this a mind bogglingly off the wall assertion totally devoid of any logical or solid relationship to the Scriptures in The Bible that I have repeatedly been blessed to read.

You said that Christ's thousand year reign began immediately after His ascension.

You appear to be too bright to have said such a thing. Amazing. For THAT to have been as you assert--Plenty of other Scriptures regarding that reign would have ALSO HAD TO HAVE BEGUN THEIR FULFILLMENT IMMEDIATELY AFTER CHRIST'S ASCENSION. There's not a shred of evidence that a single example has transpired.

The New Jerusalem has not arrived.

The New Temple has not been built.

Evil has not been removed from the earth and locked up for any of the 2000 years since.

Satan is still running around loose contrary to his state in the 1,000 year reign.

etc. etc. and etc.

Perhaps you'd do well to read the Scriptures again. And perhaps several more times after that, too.

There's plenty of evidence. You've simply either chosen to not study it, ignore it, or listen to others with alternative positions.

I won't belabor this debate b/c this is not the forum for it. It's highly inefficient. But consider several things.

First, consider that the what's in the Bible is meant for God's people, whomever they happen to be. God never, ever, put an emphasis on this earth other than saving lives in terms of eternal redemption generally speaking. I.e., Matt. 18:9 "If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the (I)fiery hell."

It is man that makes God's kingdom of this world, not God. Jesus said plainly, that his kingdom was not of this world. That means then, now, or at anytime.

New Jerusalem is purely figurative.

The temple is his people. It's been rebuilt.

Satan's only weapon, death, has been neutralized. Earthly logic will counter that, but that's only when viewed thru a perspective which lacks an eternal basis. Life on earth is nothing compared to eternal life which is why Paul said 'to live is Christ, to die is gain.' The last enemy was death, and that has been defeated as the scripture states. It was defeated with Christ's sacrifice for us. Death could no longer be used as a tool by Satan.

God doesn't have anything to prove to anyone. Consider in the parable of Lazarus and the poor man. Lazarus pleads with Abraham to allow him to go back to his brothers to warn them under the notion that if a 'someone rises from the dead', then they will listen. Abraham tells him no, even if someone rises from the dead, they will not listen.

Jesus is only coming back to claim his own. The new Jerusalem will be elsewhere. 2 Peter 3 cannot make it any clearer that upon the return of Jesus, this earth is destroyed by fire permanently. You can argue that until you're blue in the face, but your argument is not with me. ;)

There's so much more, but I can tell you already believe what you've read in books other than the Bible. Conduct your own study. If you do, it'll take years. You'll see it all. Throw out what you know, start from scratch, and ask yourself the tough questions that make no sense otherwise.

382 posted on 12/24/2004 9:46:28 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: Fruitbat

Actually, my readings on the topic tend to be overwhelmingly the Bible.

This has been true since Jr High.

I find the other books rather tedius and full of speculations. Sometimes that's interesting to a point but usually anoyingly full of man's opinions.

I prefer to take Scripture at face value and see how God confirms it. That alone is pretty amazing.

I find that God has appeared to bend over backwards making very explicit enormous numbers of verses predicting very literal future events, factors etc in very measureable, tangible terms. It is as though He went to great pains to throw a long list of Scriptures in the face of the ideas you postulate.

Given how literal a long list of prophecies have ALREADY been fulfilled from Christ's life, death, resurrection etc. on . . . I have every confidence that He will continue to fulfill HIS word far more literally than many of a certain mind-set would dare imagine in their wildest fantacies.

I suppose God could have done it any number of ways. But HE SEEMS TO HAVE A FASCINATION OR HOBBY OR HABIT of doing it literally.

He takes great pains to predict things literally almost in specific petty terms that appear to not be worth that much detail in some of the areas and factors. THEN, HE DELIGHTS in fulfilling such incredible predictions amazingly to the tiniest detail--LITERALLY.

I'm sorry you haven't been paying enough attention to history and Biblical prophecies before to have realized that.


383 posted on 12/24/2004 10:02:01 PM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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