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To: CyberAnt
Sorry .. but the Holy Spirit is not resident in the believer in the Old Testament .. only the New Testament (because of Jesus).

Please provide the chapter and verse for such a statement. Try reading some of those pages to the LEFT of the man-made one that says 'New Testament' on it.

Then he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people, saying: 'Where is He who brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit within them. Isaiah 63:11

There are 3 main groups of people on the earth - the Jews, the Nations, and the Church.

There are two groups of people on earth - God's people and the rest. Sheep and goats; wheat and tares.

Revelations is using the word "tribe", because it's not talking about the church .. it's talking about the Jews. If the word "Saints" were being used - that would be the church, because "saints" represents the words "sanctified" = meaning a born again believer.

Breathtaking! First, there is no such book as 'Revelations' - it is the book of 'The Revelation...' SINGULAR. Next, the English word 'saints' is used 35 times in the English Bible - IN THE 'OLD TESTAMENT' - Here is one especially meant for those with such views as yours. Ponder it awhile.

Yes, He loves the people; all His saints are in Your hand; they sit down at Your feet; everyone receives Your words. Moses commanded a Torah for us, a heritage of the congregation of Jacob. Deuteronomy 33:3

Now compare that to what Paul says in Ephesians 2:19:

Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God.

If you read the context, it is Gentiles being grafted INTO a community of saints and members of God's household - namely Israel.

Don't try to take the Jews part .. the Ecclesia (or church) is the best part.

If you don't want the 'Jews part' I suppose you will count yourself out of the inheritance of the 'Jew' named Y'shua as well? Also, the word 'church' does not exist in the Bible. The Greek word, as you correctly stated, is the word ekklesia. It means a 'called out assembly.' That same word is used over 80 times in the 'Old Testament' - in the Septuagint, which is the version that Paul and Peter quote from.

There is one olive tree - not two.

For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. Romans 11:16-18
220 posted on 12/22/2004 5:42:20 PM PST by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: safisoft

"Sorry .. but the Holy Spirit is not resident in the believer in the Old Testament .. only the New Testament (because of Jesus)."

So true.

Moreover, God later broke the covenant with the jews.


232 posted on 12/22/2004 7:35:55 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: safisoft

Are you done yet ..??

Hmmmm? For such a response, I must have challenged your theology. Frankly, I don't give a rip if I did. I don't see anybody twisting your arm forcing you to believe what I said. You are perfectly free to believe whatever you want.

And .. YOU ARE WRONG - there are 3 groups. The Jews are God's chosen - and He deals with them separately. The other 2 groups are the believers and the non-believers .. or the church and the nations.

And .. as far as Isaiah goes .. HE WAS PROPHESYING - after all, he was called a prophet.

By the way .. discussing what you believe is not a contest. It's an opportunity to share what you believe. If I don't believe the way you do - that's fine with me and it should be fine with you. But .. if you REQUIRE me to believe the way you do .. I guess our conversation will end.


239 posted on 12/22/2004 9:41:13 PM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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