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To: shubi
I think it is this that irks me the most about the cult of creationism. They think they are Christians, but don't act like it and exclude those of us from their "god" who they think is our God.

The above is a perfect example of how inverted and warped evolutionists arguments have become.

As if Christianity has NOTHING to do with the Christ of the Bible, Genesis and testimony of God's creation.

Read what your great "father" of evolution believed;

In his own autobiography, Darwin admitted that his evolutionary beliefs gradually made the Bible unbelievable to him and said "Thus disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress, and have never since doubted even for a single second that my conclusion was correct. I can indeed hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true."

143 posted on 12/21/2004 7:48:00 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Read what your great "father" of evolution believed;

Is your whole LIFE motivated by fallacies? The facts of nature have nothing to do with what anyone, including Darwin, did or did not say.

171 posted on 12/22/2004 3:36:14 AM PST by beavus
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To: Jorge
In his own autobiography, Darwin admitted that his evolutionary beliefs gradually made the Bible unbelievable to him and said "Thus disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress, and have never since doubted even for a single second that my conclusion was correct. I can indeed hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true."

That's word-for-word accurate, as far as it goes; but it's not the complete sentence, and it can be better understood in context. From Darwin's Complete Writings I found it by searching for a phrase from your quote. Here's the whole passage, including what preceded it, with no deletions, and with your excerpt in blue:

But I was very unwilling to give up my belief; — I feel sure of this for I can well remember often and often inventing day-dreams of old letters between distinguished Romans and manuscripts being discovered at Pompeii or elsewhere which confirmed in the most striking manner all that was written in the Gospels. But I found it more and more difficult, with free scope given to my imagination, to invent evidence which would suffice to convince me.

Thus disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress, and have never since doubted even for a single second that my conclusion was correct. I can indeed hardly see how anyone ought to wish Christianity to be true; for if so the plain language of the text seems to show that the men who do not believe, and this would include my Father, Brother and almost all my best friends, will be everlastingly punished. And this is a damnable doctrine.

But after a few paragraphs, he goes on to say:
Another source of conviction in the existence of God, connected with the reason and not with the feelings, impresses me as having much more weight. This follows from the extreme difficulty or rather impossibility of conceiving this immense and wonderful universe, including man with his capacity of looking far backwards and far into futurity, as the result of blind chance or necessity. When thus reflecting I feel compelled to look to a First Cause having an intelligent mind in some degree analogous to that of man; and I deserve to be called a Theist. This conclusion was strong in my mind about the time, as far as I can remember, when I wrote the Origin of Species ; and it is since that time that it has very gradually with many fluctuations become weaker. But then arises the doubt — can the mind of man, which has, as I fully believe, been developed from a mind as low as that possessed by the lowest animal, be trusted when it draws such grand conclusions?
He goes back and forth. Very difficult to pin him down.
181 posted on 12/22/2004 3:54:41 AM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: Jorge

"The above is a perfect example of how inverted and warped evolutionists arguments have become."

Look who is talking. Why don't you tell us about how the Grand Canyon was formed in the flood, or how God placed all the dino fossils in strata in chronological order to fool us, or how every transitional fossil found isn't a missing link cause once its found its no longer missing.

Then tell us about inverted and warped thinking.
I reject the creation science view of the Bible as a Christian and a scientist. It is not necessary to believe in nonsense to be saved.


190 posted on 12/22/2004 4:53:41 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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