Human Gland Probably Evolved From Gills

King's College London via ScienceDaily ^ | 2004-12-07 | Anonymous

[aMorePerfectUnion]

 

"probably evolved "

 

"suggest"

 

"it is reasonable to suggest"

 

"This interpretation ..."

 

 "contain many similarities"

 

"suggests"

 

Aahhhh... the language of hard scientific proof resonates with

truthfulness. Pity those poor creationists who just believe what

they want to believe!

 

 

 

 

[AQGeiger]

Nothing can be proven true, because it's impossible to test an infinite number of possibilities. You can only prove something to be false, which is why scientific study depends on falsifiability. Unfortunately for the graduates of the BTIT and regardless of how much some of the folks on this thread would like to say, falsification of evolutionary theory has not yet happened.

[highimpact]

It's a hypothesis, or perhaps the current prevailing theory. What's wrong with that?

There's nothing wrong with postulating a theory when it's supported by at least SOME kind of hard science. The fact is, there is no hard science to suggest fish crawled out of the muck millions of years ago, grew legs, hair, arms, and hands with opposable thumbs. Evolutionists have yet to show how one genus, family, or species transforms into a different genus, family, family or species. Cross breeding and environmental adaptation cannot explain how man was created by evolutionary processes. Maybe you evolved from apes, but my ancestors are all human.

[grey_whiskers]

"Christians should look on evolution simply as the method by which God works." Rev. James McCosh, theologian and President of Princeton, 1890

Be careful quoting Ivy League folks as authorities...
Bill & Hillary went to Yale Law (as did Pat Robertson);
and both
Timothy Leary and Pres. Bush came out of Harvard... ;-)

[PatrickHenry]

There is no proof of evolution as a matter of fact all the proof is against evolution ...

Those who oppose evolution might benefit by making an effort to understand what they're arguing against.
The Theory of Evolution. (Excellent introductory encyclopedia article.)

It would also be useful to learn what science is: The scientific method.

If you want a hint of the evidence that's been gathered over the generations, check out the links I just posted in another thread: here, post 204.

[AQGeiger]

While in the womb, the child receives all of its oxygen through the placenta. Even if that little snippet of high school biology (which I was told as well, unfortunately) were true, they would be completely non-functional.

[jla]

B. S. God created me. How you got here is your problem.

Concise & to the point. I wholeheartedly agree.

[spinestein]

" evolution is not real and has never been proven so. No proof, none. Evolutionists, the scientists, not amatuers, say things like, we know evolution is a fact, we just haven't proven it yet. Now there is a scientific statement if I ever heard one. "

The theory of gravity suffers from the exact same problems as the theory of evolution. Neither one can be explained by scientists except to say "We know it is a fact, we just haven't proved it yet."
I am looking forward to the day when we will stand up to the "scientists" who keep trying to pawn off their "theory of universal gravitation" on us and get back to the correct ideas about how objects move through space only through Divine Intervention.

[Polybius]

A question; the human infant can not fend for itself for many years after birth. Did the parent evolve before the child?

They evolved together.

Let's say there is a certain species where the offspring are born and left to fend for themselves.

Let's say that one of the mothers in that species has it in her genetic makeup to be a little bit more defensive about her offspring. Those offspring will have a greater chance of survival and then that species will have a greater percentage of individuals with that trait. With each generation, those with even more protective mothers have a higher chance of survival and protectivenes then becomes even more common. After many generations, protectiveness becomes, far and away, the most common trait.

In Nature, there are two main reproductive strategies: Small number of offspring with protective mothers or uncaring mothers that produce large number of offspring to make up for those that die.

[highimpact]

For example: "reasonable to suggest" means that the person evaluating the data can justify his conclusions based on the validity of the assumptions and the soundness of the experimental process in generating the data.

I stand corrected. I always thought "reasonable to suggest" meant "reasonable to suggest," and "probably" meant "probably." I guess in scientific circles "probably" means "supported by hard science" and "reasonable to suggest" means "beyond any doubt."

the person evaluating the data can justify his conclusions based on the validity of the assumptions

I can justify many conclusions based on the validity of my assumptions, that doesn't make it hard science. For example, I can conclude that I am a human being, born of two human beings, who were born of two human beings. I can carry this postulate back a thousand generations, and guess what? There isn't a monkey or a fish in my family tree.

[grey_whiskers]

How much oxygen is present in ammniotic fluid anyway?

Just blowing smoke--since any purported gills are present only at much earlier stages of gestation, maybe they _could_ do the job at supplying O2; please recall many smaller critters (e.g. spiders) don't have lungs in the way "we" think of them...

Cheers!

PS Your initial post could serve as a counter-example to over-reliance on authority, couldn't it? ;-)

[clyde asbury]

they would be completely non-functional.

I seem to remember her saying this - that they were nonfunctional. It makes sense, of course.

Another evolution thread was recently discussed.

These debates can be fun. But, it's Christmas and I'm content to let those who are ignorant of basic science continue to live that way.

Merry Christmas, AQ.

[mtg]

And Gilligan evolved from "The Dolby Gills Show".

[NYer]

Several years ago, I noticed that one of my adult students had a very swollen lump on her neck. She told me that, according to the doctors, an 'undisolved' gill from her fetal stage of development, had remained in her system. She underwent surgery, the 'gill' was removed and the swelling disappeared.

I'm confident there is a better, albeit more technical, explanation for this condition. That is how she explained it to me. Don't know how common is this condition.

[spinestein]

" I guess in scientific circles "probably" means "supported by hard science" and "reasonable to suggest" means "beyond any doubt." "


Sorry, that is exactly what it does not mean.

" I can carry this postulate back a thousand generations, and guess what? There isn't a monkey or a fish in my family tree. "

Sorry again, 1000 generations is waaaaaaaaaay too short a time period for that to be seen.

Please see reply #65 and click on "The scientific method".

[clyde asbury]

Your initial post could serve as a counter-example to over-reliance on authority, couldn't it? ;-)

{Obediently} Yes, I guess it could. :)

At least I had the integrity to fail her course.

[beavus]

You are going to take a lot of hits from creationists for this one. LOL

I take the hits. Always.

[beavus]

How about maybe the cucumber plant family??

I've done a little self inspection, and I think the watermelon family is more likely.

[Timmy]

The human parathyroid gland, which regulates the level of calcium in the blood, probably evolved from the gills of fish, according to researchers from King's College London.

Probably? Probably? I don't understand. We KNOW how all this happened. Evolution is a FACT. We've been told this again and again. I am sure any good biology book explains how we went from the primordial slime through each step to what we are now. Why can't they just look it up?

[AQGeiger]

That's called a branchial cyst. It has nothing to do with gills. While we are developing in the womb, for a while we have several sets of structures called pharyngeal arches. Bunches of structures in the neck and face develop from the pharyngeal arches. And it's way more complicated than I could do justice to it to explain (or than you want to hear), but let's just say that if all does not happen as it's supposed to happen, there can wind up being a cyst in the front of the side of the neck. Branchial cysts are pretty harmless, and they're usually only discovered in adulthood, because they can enlarge.