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U-M study: Why men are attracted to subordinate women
University of Michigan News Service ^ | Dec. 8, 2004 | U Mich

Posted on 12/21/2004 3:59:39 PM PST by beavus

ANN ARBOR, Mich.—Men are more likely to want to marry women who are their assistants at work rather than their colleagues or bosses, a University of Michigan study finds.

The study, published in the current issue of Evolution and Human Behavior, highlights the importance of relational dominance in mate selection and discusses the evolutionary utility of male concerns about mating with dominant females.

"These findings provide empirical support for the widespread belief that powerful women are at a disadvantage in the marriage market because men may prefer to marry less accomplished women," said Stephanie Brown, lead author of the study and a social psychologist at the U-M Institute for Social Research (ISR).

For the study, supported in part by a grant from the National Institute of Mental Health, Brown and co-author Brian Lewis from UCLA tested 120 male and 208 female undergraduates by asking them to rate their attraction and desire to affiliate with a man and a woman they were said to know from work.

"Imagine that you have just taken a job and that Jennifer (or John) is your immediate supervisor (or your peer, or your assistant)," study participants were told as they were shown a photo of a male or a female.

After seeing the photo and hearing the description of the person's role at work in relation to their own, participants were asked to use a 9-point Likert scale (1 is not at all, 9 is very much) to rate the extent to which they would enjoy going to a party with Jennifer or John, exercising with the person, dating the person and marrying the person.

Brown and Lewis found that males, but not females, were most strongly attracted to subordinate partners for high-investment activities such as marriage and dating.

"Our results demonstrate that male preference for subordinate women increases as the investment in the relationship increases," Brown said. "This pattern is consistent with the possibility that there were reproductive advantages for males who preferred to form long-term relationships with relatively subordinate partners.

"Given that female infidelity is a severe reproductive threat to males only when investment is high, a preference for subordinate partners may provide adaptive benefits to males in the context of only long-term, investing relationships---not one-night stands."

According to Brown, who is affiliated with the ISR Evolution and Human Adaptation Program, the current findings are consistent with earlier research showing that expressions of vulnerability enhance female attractiveness. "Our results also provide further explanation for why males might attend to dominance-linked characteristics of women such as relative age or income, and why adult males typically prefer partners who are younger and make less money."

For more information on the ISR Evolution and Human Adaptation Program, visit: http://rcgd.isr.umich.edu/ehap/


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To: Lazamataz

And I bought her a new diamond "past present future" ring for Christmas and let her open it yesterday.


261 posted on 12/22/2004 1:41:37 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, ... Remember this.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
GLC= General Laws of the Commonwealth, Section 213 covers Alimony, 209A covers Lawyers using false testimony, in a Star Chamber type hearing that divorces you from your rights to be seen and present a defense in open court, at first hearing.

If you want to see a strong woman go to a divorce hearing.

262 posted on 12/22/2004 1:44:18 PM PST by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State)
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To: Little Bill

Sounds odd to me. What state?


263 posted on 12/22/2004 1:46:33 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, ... Remember this.)
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To: arasina
(Continued) Oh Bubula...While tonight's another party night, could you please teeter out here out with that Helen Thomas mask and garb for your snookums? And don't forget the pearl necklace...

Sometimes I'm in the mood for an 'Outer Limits/House-on-Haunted-Hill' rush of adrenalin...;-D

Btw, I've rescheduled my lobotomy...

264 posted on 12/22/2004 1:47:13 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Massachusetts
265 posted on 12/22/2004 3:17:45 PM PST by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State)
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To: Little Bill

That isn't a strong woman, that is a beeyatch.


266 posted on 12/22/2004 3:22:15 PM PST by Laura Earl (1/2way290)
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To: Conspiracy Guy; Lazamataz

Let's him have the remote????? He seizes the remote, which is just fine (most of the time) since I prefer reading to watching TV.


267 posted on 12/22/2004 3:23:46 PM PST by Laura Earl (1/2way290)
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To: Conspiracy Guy; Lazamataz

Since I "let" him open his new digicam the other day it was only fair.


268 posted on 12/22/2004 3:24:17 PM PST by Laura Earl (1/2way290)
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To: Rytwyng
In all 3 cases, it was well over a year when I asked them, "Please, just tell me WHY you suddenly backed off and decided you didn't want me." All three evaded the question.

Simple - they decided they weren't attracted to you any more (and there's no nice or easy way to tell you that, so they evade explanations). Once a woman decides she is no longer attracted to you, it's all over, and there's nothing you can do to change her mind - whether you've been dating for two weeks or married for twenty years.

269 posted on 12/22/2004 3:52:17 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Rytwyng
To put it another way, women want to marry "up", whereas men just don't care.

I think men have a slight preference to "marry down" as the article describes, though it's not as strong as women's preference to "marry up". A man always worries about the terrible risk of looking like John Kerry if he marries above his station. ;)

270 posted on 12/22/2004 3:55:50 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Oops... my typo.. that should have read:

In all 3 cases, it was well over a year LATER when I asked them, "Please, just tell me WHY ...

By which I meant, a year or more after the breakup. None of these women dated me for a year or even close to it.

But that doesn't detract from your point at all. They just decided, suddenly, they were no longer attracted to me, and you're quite right:

Once a woman decides she is no longer attracted to you, it's all over, and there's nothing you can do to change her mind.

271 posted on 12/22/2004 4:20:24 PM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: Lazamataz
Thank you for providing an example to illustrate if one were to think that all S are F, it would be logically flawed. My question attempted to determine whether or not the thinking was that all S are F, which obviously is flawed. So thank you for reinforcement. . :-)
272 posted on 12/22/2004 8:19:15 PM PST by njwoman
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To: F16Fighter
Btw, I've rescheduled my lobotomy...

Awwww, honey. You didn't have to do that for ME. You're SUCH a wonderful guy! What'd I EVER do to deserve you?

Oh, and sweetie, could you fix my shoe before I take you to the doc, pretty please? I can't find the mask! Just the pearls. Do you suppose you won't need that lobotomy after all?


Bubula? Wha???

273 posted on 12/22/2004 8:27:23 PM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
How does an Ivy League education make a woman a more attractive wife to a successful and dominant male?

Majority of women that choose to aspire to go to an Ivy League university do not select to work arduously before getting into the school of preference and later at the school so that she looks more attractive to a male. Women aspire to go to top universities to be taught by the most renowned faculty in the county and sometimes in the world, to make acquaintances of peers that have similarly high aspirations, and undoubtedly, for professional advancement.

274 posted on 12/22/2004 9:25:01 PM PST by njwoman
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To: Shryke
women in managerial positions can be really mean b*tches - far more so than normal females

Women in managerial positions are not normal? :-)

275 posted on 12/22/2004 9:30:28 PM PST by njwoman
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To: Cogadh na Sith
They invariably start treating their husband as another competitor to be defeated and even the smallest decision becomes a battle of wills that she cannot afford to lose.

Talking from experience? :-) Successful women would not ordinarily have time to get into the petty battles of the wills.

276 posted on 12/22/2004 9:35:53 PM PST by njwoman
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To: njwoman
Successful women would not ordinarily have time to get into the petty battles of the wills.

Man, you are COLD. (I know, and I'm BLUNT.) Where is the LOVE in any of your comments about relationships and marriage?

277 posted on 12/22/2004 9:42:08 PM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: Lazamataz
AHA! You finally scored! It took a long time, but someone finally said something you could get annoyed at!

Congrats! ;^)

The only thing that is annoying at times is that a lot of males (not all) are intimidated by strong, confident, and successful women.

278 posted on 12/22/2004 9:42:54 PM PST by njwoman
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To: arasina
"Bubula? Wha???"

Come on! You know -- "boobala." Or Bubby. You've heard of that pet name before, right? (Maybe I'm not spellin' it right)

Hmmm...what did you ever do to deserve me?? You mean besides your kooky playfulness in a sexy-kinda-wayness, your intellectual prowess demonstrated on this thread, and heart of gold? (stroke, stroke ;-)

Oh...and the lobotomy? Good -- then I will be passin'. Helen Thomas mask?? Passin' again -- Halloween's over anyway, so go ahead and put on the pearls....But I'm having the darndest time fixing your shoe with the remote in one hand, and quart of Colt 45 in the other. You'll just have to resort to teetering around on your practically flat 4 inchers...:-D

P.S. -- do NOT run this post through FR's spell check...

279 posted on 12/22/2004 9:44:07 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Lazamataz; Cogadh na Sith
She had to twist my statement into knots to be offended, but she managed it!

Now there's a strong woman who knows what she wants!

Men that are intimidated by strong women is definitely not one of those things.

280 posted on 12/22/2004 9:56:14 PM PST by njwoman
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