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To: Wisconsin155
Now along comes the gravity equivalent of a creationist, who says that because Newton’s work doesn’t work at speeds approaching c that therefore the whole theory of gravity is wrong, and proves the existence of God. That is what ID and creationist proponents are putting out there.

I see a big difference between the Newton example and evolution: Newton proved his laws of motion through reproduceable experimentation. That's why, in the field of science, his ideas of motion are called laws rather than theories. Evolutionary processes, however, have not been proven and, so far as I know, have not been reproduced.

I also see the argument from a different angle. Creationists begin with a faith in God, and so their reasoning derives from that belief. Along come evolutionists, who, from the religious point of view, are trying to disprove the hand of God in the creation of man. In a sense, evolutionists are trying to disprove God, and Creationists are simply countering those arguments. Now, there are plenty of proponents of evolution who don't see evolution as necessarily in conflict with belief in God, but, as you can see on this thread alone, more often than not, defenders of evolution use scientific arguments to "prove" how the Bible's account of creation is just a silly fairy tale.
179 posted on 12/21/2004 2:05:23 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak
Off topic, but how does one do the italics? I can't seem to get it to work

"Evolutionary processes, however, have not been proven and, so far as I know, have not been reproduced. " Wrong. Go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

Further, there are clear examples in the fossil records. You will never find a fossil of a bird in a time before the Dinosaurs. And further, ID proponents, which I assume you are, can not prove their theory by experimentation either. So even if we accept your argument, once we apply it to Intelligent Design it is proved to be a fraud.

"Along come evolutionists, who, from the religious point of view, are trying to disprove the hand of God " - Nope. Although surely there are some who attempt to do so, in general science can not answer the question of why. That is the realm of religion. What evolution does disprove is the Biblical account. Apply your standards from the first paragraph on reproduceable experimentation to the Bible account. If you choose to take the Bible literally that is your choice. However, consider that Jews are not crusading for Creationism, and they wrote it.
213 posted on 12/21/2004 7:13:06 PM PST by Wisconsin155 (newbie)
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