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To: Mike Fieschko
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The Church. But that means - The Church, not those fighting The Church from within the institutional church. Even if not declared heretics, the history of the institution is one of disobedience and conflict from those wearing the collars - from those who took the formal oaths. They are not the standard. They are not the basis. No Catholic ever confused the collar for The Church, the 'reformist' with the Saint. The standard isn't them. It's The Church. It's a corporate body, and not merely that. That is, if they consider The Church 'outmoded', 'outdated', 'evil and dark age', worse then than now, and so on, they obey The Church, and don't obey them. The Truth cannot be 'reformed'. It simply is. And professional negligence or dereliction of duty are not confined merely to the professions and the military - it just goes by other names, perhaps.

196 posted on 12/21/2004 12:54:16 PM PST by sevry
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To: sevry
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The Church.


Sigh.

OK. Rather than using shorthand, I'll ask it this way: please provide the name of the author and name of the written work which supports your assertion that the Holy Ghost does not protect the determination of facts on which the decision to canonize is based. If the written work is available on the internet, please supply a link.
197 posted on 12/21/2004 1:05:03 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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