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To: Ed Current

Nothing personal to all of you anti-folks, but believe it or not, most Americans do not want to outlaw abortion. Sure, partial birth abortion should be outlawed, but preventing women from RU-486 is your agenda, not ours.

You can call me "baby killer" all you want, but most of us do not believe that a 10-day old glob of cells is human. You do; your preacher tells you so. We don't. So vote.


20 posted on 12/20/2004 2:59:54 PM PST by MonroeDNA (“I feel more comfortable with Soviet intellectuals than I do with American businessmen.” --Soros)
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To: MonroeDNA

but most of us do not believe that a 10-day old glob of cells is human

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into existence. This is no longer a matter of taste or opinion. Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception." Dr. Jerome Lejeune, genetics professor at the University of Descartes, Paris. He discovered the Down syndrome chromosome.

"From the moment a baby is conceived, it bears the indelible stamp of a separate distinct personality, an individual different from all other individuals." Ultrasound pioneer, Sir William Liley, M.D. 1967.

"It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception." Professor M. Matthews-Roth, Harvard University Medical School.

"By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception." Professor Hymie Gordon, Mayo Clinic.

"The fusion of the sperm (with 23 chromosomes) and the oocyte (with 23 chromosomes) at fertilization results in a live human being, a single-cell human zygote, with 46 chromosomes - the number of chromosomes characteristic of an individual member of the human species." http://www.l4l.org/library/mythfact.html

"Scientifically, the international consensus of embryologists is that human beings begin at fertilization (or cloning)--i.e., when their genetic code is complete and operative; even before implantation they are far more than a "bunch of cells" or merely " potential human beings."" http://www.stemcellresearch.org/statement/

"The question as to when a human person begins is a philosophical question - not a scientific question. I will not go into great detail here, but ""personhood"" begins when the human being begins - at fertilization." http://www.l4l.org/library/mythfact.html This objective argument refutes all metaphysical speculations stating otherwise.

22 posted on 12/20/2004 3:03:02 PM PST by Ed Current (U.S. Constitution, Article 3 has no constituency to break federal judicial tyranny)
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To: MonroeDNA
You can call me "baby killer" all you want, but most of us do not believe that a 10-day old glob of cells is human. You do; your preacher tells you so. We don't. So vote.

With all dubious respect, you don't speak for "most of us", and you sure as hell don't speak for me. If you "get your rocks off" killing, or advocating killing, the unborn, I don't suppose anything will stop you. Your "freedom to kill" is intact.

But do not DARE presume to speak for me, included in "most of us".

30 posted on 12/20/2004 3:16:22 PM PST by Christian4Bush ("You do what you got to do because it needs to get done." Tony Heigaard, U.S. Army)
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To: MonroeDNA
You seem to miss the point entirely. If someone were to kill a known pregnant mother at any stage of the pregnancy everyone would be sure to mention she was expecting. Why would this matter if the 'glob' of cells was insignificant?

The truth is that pregnancy indicates a probability that the 'glob' of cells will become a human being and this probability increases as the pregnancy progresses.

There are many people against genetic engineering of an embryo or fetus, but what does it matter? It's not a person only part of the woman's body, it's her choice right? No it is not, the choices she makes regarding the embryo have a high probability of impacting a human beings life.

An egg alone will not become a human being, a sperm will not but an embryo does. It is part of our life cycle, which means it will probably become a person if left alone!

It's like a person in a burn ward who is comatose and burned up beyond recognition without any organs left. Let's say they are in some regeneration chamber, they will not have their memories but they will recover. Using your reasoning it would be OK to pull the plug, because they are not recognizable as human. In fact that hypothetical person would be in the same position as an unborn child.

Maybe you say it is the mothers body so it's her choice. Well what if we had birth chambers the negated a woman's role as carrier, then would abortion still be legal? I bet most who agree with abortion would say yes.

The reason: it is about not wanting a child so legally killing it, not about a woman's body.

And I am an atheist and highly educated by the way. I do not get told what to think by anyone.
38 posted on 12/20/2004 3:31:58 PM PST by demecleze
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To: MonroeDNA
but most of us do not believe that a 10-day old glob of cells is human.

If this "glob of cells" continued its growth unhindered, please let us know just what in the hell would pop out in nine months. A human being or a labrador retreiver?

Is a lit match "fire", or does it only count when it has engulfed the house?

78 posted on 12/20/2004 4:54:21 PM PST by Squeako (ACLU: "Only Christians, Boy Scouts and War Memorials are too vile to defend.")
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To: MonroeDNA

"... but most of us do not believe that a 10-day old glob of cells is human."

Does "most of us" include Democrats and other assorted liberals?
"Most of us" conservatives see a developing human being in that "10-day old glob of cells".


79 posted on 12/20/2004 5:12:11 PM PST by rogator
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To: MonroeDNA
Nothing personal to all of you anti-folks,

Nothing personal to you either, but please save the loaded, canned rhetoric for somewhere else. Most of us here, are quite "pro" in all areas, including "choice" when you are using it in an honest context.

80 posted on 12/20/2004 5:29:40 PM PST by ElkGroveDan
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To: MonroeDNA
"You can call me "baby killer" all you want, but most of us do not believe that a 10-day old glob of cells is human. You do; your preacher tells you so. We don't. So vote."

We? Speak for yourself. You certainly don't speak for the majority of Freepers. Nobody needs a preacher to tell them MURDER is wrong.

84 posted on 12/20/2004 5:54:59 PM PST by Godebert
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To: MonroeDNA

Baby killer...


96 posted on 12/20/2004 7:46:50 PM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: MonroeDNA
You do; your preacher tells you so

I am afraid that is not true.
It is what GOD told us NOT to do.
As recorded in the Torah and the Bible.
106 posted on 12/21/2004 5:04:49 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: MonroeDNA

You know, it's amazing what short memories we are developing these days. Back in 1964 even Planned Parenthood knew that human life begins at conception. Even so, Margaret Sanger, the Hitlerite anti-minority founder of said group was willing to kill children in the name of Eugenics. Have you ever noticed that most abortion clinics are in predominantly Afro-American neighbourhoods?


122 posted on 12/22/2004 9:50:14 PM PST by RichardMoore
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