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Boise police officer kills teen wielding rifle with bayonet
Salt Lake Tribune ^
| 12/20/04
| AP
Posted on 12/20/2004 7:48:37 AM PST by Ellesu
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To: El Gato
Nope, close but no cigar. They said it was a WW-II era rifle. Thus a Garand or possibly a Springfield, if a US weapon. All the likely foreign weapons, and the Springfield, are bolt actions. Even the Garand, which is a semi-auto, doesn't qualify because it doesn't have a removable magazine. The magazine it does have holds less than ten rounds as well. Hey! It could have been this WWII era rifle!
The Sturmgewehr 44:
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/300px-SG44.jpg)
And. yeah, I know, what would a kid be doing with a $20,000 historical rifle...
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posted on
12/20/2004 9:53:30 AM PST
by
2banana
(They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
To: All
42
posted on
12/20/2004 10:06:58 AM PST
by
Ellesu
To: 2banana
This is actually the first crime in 10 years that could have been affected by the now expired "clinton assault weapons ban" - it banned some rifles if they did not remove the bayonet lug...
Actually, the real factor deciding if this incident could have been prevented by the ban is whether the father?/owner would have turned in his legally registered firearm when it became illegal.
To: Bigh4u2
died of natural causes, its only natural to die from several bullet holes.
To: cpdiii
I practiced reloading (stripper clips) quickly.
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posted on
12/20/2004 10:33:05 AM PST
by
donmeaker
(Why did the Romans cross the road? To keep the slaves from revolting again.)
To: Deguello
I have a stock of WWII armor piercing (laid down in 1944, and unlike the US ammunition, does not have a black tip), but I try to use Federal hunting ammunition at the range. The local steel target provider doesnt want me to use armor piercing rounds on his targets.
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posted on
12/20/2004 10:35:00 AM PST
by
donmeaker
(Why did the Romans cross the road? To keep the slaves from revolting again.)
To: trebb
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posted on
12/20/2004 10:40:13 AM PST
by
First_Salute
(May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
To: donmeaker
Is your Federal ammo miking out at .308 or .311? In the past all American stuff was spec. at .308 and was crap in a .311 barrel.
Old surplus stuff I have found in the past was headspaced for machineguns and blew the necks. Norma 150's worked perfect.
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posted on
12/20/2004 10:44:30 AM PST
by
Deguello
To: Bean Counter
I really feel sorry for the Officer; he had no choice but to do his duty and defend himself, and I'm sure he'll carry the guilt around for the rest of his life. As will the father for calling the cops in the first place. Tragic story all around and during the holiday season as well.
I went to highschool with a kid who lost his only sibling, a brother, in a skiing accident. About two years later he was killed by police after walking around the neighborhood with a loaded Uzi during a drug/alcohol induced bender. In a matter of less than three years his parents had lost both of their children.
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posted on
12/20/2004 11:06:43 AM PST
by
Drew68
To: Ellesu
The boy's father described his son as distraught and irrational and said he seemed to be under the influence of drugs or alcoholThis kid may have been shot dead by the police, but he was really killed by his use of drugs, probably meth.
Very sad.
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posted on
12/20/2004 11:21:19 AM PST
by
Gritty
("the brains of our own students have simply not been adequately developed in our schools"-T Sowell)
To: cpdiii
How do you get 30 rounds out of a Lee Enfield Magazine? you reload...this is the process of putting more ammo into the gun when you exhaust the magazine's supply.
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posted on
12/20/2004 11:32:07 AM PST
by
calex59
To: blau993
Even if it was, guns manufactured before 1994 didn't have to meet the provision of the ban. It is "pre-Ban".
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posted on
12/20/2004 11:49:41 AM PST
by
tbeatty
(I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat salad.)
To: El Gato
And it was manufactured pre-1994, therefore like every AR-15 manufactured before 1994, it can have a pistol grip, bayonet lug and detachable magazine and be perfectly legal. Unaffacted by the ban.
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posted on
12/20/2004 11:52:16 AM PST
by
tbeatty
(I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat salad.)
To: calex59
I was referencing the statement about 30
well aimed shots out a a Lee Enfield in less than a minute.
"Aint No Way,"
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posted on
12/20/2004 8:22:47 PM PST
by
cpdiii
(If you do not believe in entropy and enthalpy, look at government by liberals)
To: subterfuge
"If the officer was really in fear for his life, how does he let a 16 yo get close enough to poke him with a bayonet?"
Because he was trying to do as you suggest and not hurt him. He tried handling it calmly.
"If it happened as stated, why does the officer not take the boy down as I'm sure "he has been trained" to do without killing him?"
Because you are trained to do that when possible but when their is a life in immediate risk you cannot take the chances. It is him or you.
"but don't the cops ever take a risk to try and help the confused? It was a kid."
It sounds like that was what he was doing when he got poked with the bayonet.
You don't understand it is a cops nightmare to kill someone and not something done for fun. This guy probably can't live with himself tonight. I KNOW this man would not do anything but what was absolutely necessary.
To: Mark17
"
They can come at you real fast, especially if your weapon is in your holster. The article says he jumped out of the bushes and repeatedly charged the officer. I am wondering how many times does he have to charge, before action is taken? No matter how you look at it, the whole situation is tragic. I think domestic disturbances, are the situations officers dread responding to most. " I don't disagree at all Mark17. It just seems that a trained, experienced police officer should be able to apprehend an inebriated 16 yo without killing him, imo. Maybe he did try to do that. I'm not a cop basher at all but it seems this kind of thing happens frequently. Could he have withdrawn and observed the kid from a distance? You can't tell from the article. It's just disappointing, that's all.
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posted on
12/21/2004 5:23:33 AM PST
by
subterfuge
("Dems think 'Values' are what you get at WalMart"--subterfuge)
To: MontanaCowgirlCop
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posted on
12/21/2004 5:24:35 AM PST
by
subterfuge
("Dems think 'Values' are what you get at WalMart"--subterfuge)
To: donmeaker
One aimed shot every 2 seconds? NO you can't because of the need to reload twice, charging with two 5 round clips each time, and operate the bolt 30 times. If it was an semi auto with a 30rd clip I would believe you...
To: subterfuge
Regards to you and yours.
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posted on
12/21/2004 9:42:59 AM PST
by
Mark17
To: Mark17
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posted on
12/21/2004 9:51:53 AM PST
by
subterfuge
("Dems think 'Values' are what you get at WalMart"--subterfuge)
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