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The right to keep carrying
Bloomington Pantagraph ^ | December 19, 2004 | Scott Richardson

Posted on 12/19/2004 5:42:14 PM PST by Graybeard58

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two retired Normal police....

For the uniniated "Normal" is a city in Illinois.

Some Central Illinois police departments are moving ahead to comply with a federal law

Some? Is complying with a federal law an option?

Illinois, one of just five states that prohibit private citizens from carrying concealed weapons in public.

As long as the legislature is controlled by dims that's the way it will be in Illinois too.

1 posted on 12/19/2004 5:42:14 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: Chi-townChief

Ping


2 posted on 12/19/2004 5:42:42 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: chicagolady

Ping


3 posted on 12/19/2004 5:45:14 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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How is this possibly Constitutional? The people who get to carry the guns are no longer police officers, just regular guys. Sounds like unequal protection...


4 posted on 12/19/2004 5:45:22 PM PST by ikka
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To: Graybeard58

If the 2nd amendment meant anything, we would all be able to conceal and carry.


5 posted on 12/19/2004 5:46:16 PM PST by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!)
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To: ikka
The people who get to carry the guns are no longer police officers, just regular guys. Sounds like unequal protection...

Fair or not it's the federal law and some places are treating it as an optional thing.

6 posted on 12/19/2004 5:46:39 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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Anybody know the other four states that do not allow it?


7 posted on 12/19/2004 5:48:36 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: ikka
How is this possibly Constitutional?

It's in the DemocRat Constitution.

8 posted on 12/19/2004 5:48:58 PM PST by Navy Patriot (I'm gonna hear it for this.)
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"Anybody know the other four states that do not allow it?"

Illinois
Kansas
Nebraska
Wisconsin


9 posted on 12/19/2004 5:52:32 PM PST by MissouriConservative ( Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more; you should never wish to do less. - Robert E. Lee)
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To: MissouriConservative

The article says 5 states total. Is New York one of them?


10 posted on 12/19/2004 5:53:53 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58; Travis McGee; Eaker

There is another word for this...But then again this is Illinois...

Hypocracy...

Empowerment and the right of everyone to effective methods of self-defence does not seem to be a big priority with a majority of the citizenry of that State...I've seen it for too long there...

Fire a couple of people there, and rid yourselves of their kind, and you might get somewhere...Namely, Blagovich and Daly...

Later,
Steve


11 posted on 12/19/2004 5:56:10 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans)
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To: lancer

I had an evil thought - suppose the states which have "shall issue" laws on concealed carry permits tell the states which do not honor those permits that they will no longer honor drivers' licenses from states that don't recognize the permits. That'd raise the issue in states like Illinois, Maryland and other repressive Democrat-controlled enclaves.

Retired cops are no more or less likely to screw up with their guns than the average law-abiding citizen, so special considerations for them very much annoy me.


12 posted on 12/19/2004 5:57:14 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Graybeard58
Not according to my information, which is the map listed below


13 posted on 12/19/2004 6:03:42 PM PST by MissouriConservative ( Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more; you should never wish to do less. - Robert E. Lee)
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I am sure you are correct, I was just going by the article.

However... Illinois, one of just five states that prohibit private citizens from carrying concealed weapons in public.

They may be referring to Virginia and/or others that have "open carry" laws.

14 posted on 12/19/2004 6:08:36 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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I'm not sure why the article would state that....they may still think that Missouri is still a "not issue" state, but that was changed this year.

We are now proudly a "shall issue" state. Took long enough to get it too.


15 posted on 12/19/2004 6:12:32 PM PST by MissouriConservative ( Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more; you should never wish to do less. - Robert E. Lee)
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To: Graybeard58
There are people in their 90s I would totally trust around a firearm. There are others it would only be a recipe for disaster.

I know a guy who used to work in a psychiatric facility that had to take a .25 auto away from an 80 some odd year old man with syphilitic dementia. Not fun.

16 posted on 12/19/2004 6:16:50 PM PST by Hardastarboard
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I can sum this whole idea up in two words: It sucks.

The whole idea perpetuates the idea that the police are somehow elite and fit to carry weapons to protect themselves and others, while the rest of us aren't. Quite the contrary, the more of us, the everyday Joes who carry, the better it will be for everyone. We need to break down the walls in areas that aren't friendly to citizen carry, not pass bills allowing ex-cops to carry.

17 posted on 12/19/2004 6:20:01 PM PST by Melas
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To: Graybeard58

No, it is difficult to obtain one, but it can be done.


18 posted on 12/19/2004 7:05:50 PM PST by appeal2
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To: Graybeard58

It gives a special privilege to the Elite. I'd presume I can carry to and f*ck what the law says. It either applies to every one or to none at all.


19 posted on 12/19/2004 7:34:02 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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I like to think that cops are elite. My father is an ex-cop and benefits from this law. He dedicated 29 years of his life trying to protect an extremely dangerous city. I woke up everyday not knowing if my father would come home alive. I never knew if the police would show up at school and take me to see my father on his deathbed at a hospital because he was in a shoot out. I will never have a problem with ex-cops being able to carry a concealed weapon while others may not. Cops go through counless hours of training on how to properly use their weapons. My father estimated that he shot over 40,000 rounds in training alone. That is the reason why ex-cops are given a free pass on being able to carry a concealed weapon.
Thank you to all police officers and fellow family members of police officers.


20 posted on 12/19/2004 7:39:40 PM PST by rightwingmichigander (W2)
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