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I Am A Conservative Christian, And The Religious Right Scares Me, Too
Chuck Baldwin ^
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Posted on 12/18/2004 7:37:17 PM PST by ambrose
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To: Eagle Eye
Of course, the sad truth is, neither George W. Bush nor the Republican Party in Washington, D.C. represents genuine Christian . . . principles.
Pope Chuck I is attempting to demonize political entities which he opposes, and is therefore a big, scary danger which the Founders warned us all about.
To: ambrose
Damn, The devil lives in the choir loft....
CHUCKIE... come down out of there THIS MINUTE..
(pause)
I'm WAITING....
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posted on
12/19/2004 9:23:33 AM PST
by
hosepipe
(This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Well, there is a comprehension problem, but it isn't on this end. Do we take Bush at his word or not? Would he have signed a ban renewal, had it passed? He said he would. Are you saying that he lied?
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posted on
12/19/2004 9:27:27 AM PST
by
jammer
To: jammer
Do we take Bush at his word or not? Not when he is talking to the press.
The press is not our friend, a fact which evidently totally escapes your tiny little mind.
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posted on
12/19/2004 9:32:39 AM PST
by
E. Pluribus Unum
(Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Bush barely got elected. He went as far right as he could and still get elected.
The election is over. No third term. When do we see the conservative Bush?
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posted on
12/19/2004 9:34:23 AM PST
by
Celtman
(It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
To: E. Pluribus Unum
C'mon. It does whatever argument you have no good to fall back on "tiny little mind" and comprehension
ad hominems.
I won't go farther with this, but I think you're going down a misleading road here. Talking to the press is talking to me and talking to you. If he lies to them, as you assert, then he lies to me and to you. Straight shooting is, or was, one of the fundamental positive attributes that Bush had going for him.
If you, an unabashed supporter, take that away from him, it is a serious blow indeed to his credibility. Let's forget you staked out that position. Leave the "says one thing, but believes and does another" to critics. That cannot be what a true believer thinks.
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posted on
12/19/2004 9:43:24 AM PST
by
jammer
To: ambrose
I am making of list of the things that the religious right has done that threatens my family, my life, or my business. So far, my list is up to zero.
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posted on
12/19/2004 9:45:33 AM PST
by
doug from upland
(Vietnam Vets: FINALLY -- welcome home, heroes)
To: jammer
Talking to the press is talking to me and talking to you. If he lies to them, as you assert, then he lies to me and to you. So you would rather have had Ari Fleischer say "Bush would veto the AWB renewal if it hits his desk," given the press something to demagogue, had the AWB pass and Bush's veto overridden?
Or would you rather have had Bush "lie" through a spokemen and get what we want.
It's really pretty simple: what's more important to you, dragging your knuckles, or winning?
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posted on
12/19/2004 9:51:53 AM PST
by
E. Pluribus Unum
(Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
To: ambrose
Of course, the sad truth is, neither George W. Bush nor the Republican Party in Washington, D.C. represents genuine Christian or even conservative principles. If they did, they would take their oaths to the Constitution seriously and then neither liberals nor conservatives would have anything to fear, for the U.S. Constitution protects the rights and freedoms of all men.
Unfortunately, when the seed of Bush's unconstitutional policies come to fruition, it will produce large scale fallout economically, socially, and politically. And sadder still will be that, instead of blaming Bush's infidelity to constitutional government and conservative principles, people will blame Christianity and conservatism itself. The result of this miscalculation will doubtless be a massive tide of support for more and greater unconstitutional government, but only under a different name.
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He's hit the nail on the head.
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posted on
12/19/2004 9:53:20 AM PST
by
Celtman
(It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
To: COEXERJ145
To: Blood of Tyrants
"...Bush wasn't the best Republican for the job, but he was infinitely better than Gore..."
Well, almost 500 years ago Macchiavelli taught that true wisdom consists in choosing the least possible evil and then counting such choice as good. The ideal president (or an ideal king of yore) would of necessity be a composite character, uncomfortably resembling some cartoons. Really good ones do happen sometimes, and are posthumously given sobriquet "the Good", but are unpredictably rare, so one has to do with what one has at hand.
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posted on
12/19/2004 9:57:17 AM PST
by
GSlob
To: ambrose
Yep. Chuck nails it dead, solid, perfect here.
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posted on
12/19/2004 10:01:55 AM PST
by
lodwick
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Or would you rather have had Bush "lie" through a spokemen and get what we want.[sic]
It's really pretty simple: what's more important to you, dragging your knuckles, or winning?Ah, yes, the old "it's okay to lie as long as it serves a good cause" reasoning. How low this forum has sunk.
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posted on
12/19/2004 10:03:22 AM PST
by
jammer
To: lodwick
Are you a Constamatooshinalist Party supporter?
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posted on
12/19/2004 10:04:03 AM PST
by
sinkspur
("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
To: ambrose
The Religious Right offered virtually no resistance to the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, the passage of the Patriot Act, or the recently created position of National Intelligence Director. Neither did the Religious Right offer even a whimper of protest as President Bush and Republicans in Congress created a first-ever national ID card in the new intelligence bill, which eerily has more in common with early Twentieth Century German and Russian intelligence institutions than anything envisioned by America's Founding Fathers.You are a fraud. These are not Christian or moral issues. They are constitutional issues and issues regarding the "efficient" (ha ha) administration of the executive function of government.
To: lodwick
Like when he said president Bush would not be reelected?
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posted on
12/19/2004 10:09:14 AM PST
by
sausageseller
(Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
To: Eagle Eye
Chuck Baldwin: "Therefore, when Bush loses in November, he will have no one to blame but himself". SS Next time you see Chuck ask him why he lied?
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posted on
12/19/2004 10:12:27 AM PST
by
sausageseller
(Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
To: ambrose
Maybe if I would read this article a second time some understanding of Chuck Baldwin's problem would filter thru but I honestly doubt it would help. We did not vote to elect a Pope, and President Bush did not run as a potential such. I believe that George Bush endeavors to render unto Cesare that which is his and to God that which belongs to God. I believe we elected a good man as President but he is not infallible, any more than is Chuck Baldwin. I would not vote for Baldwin regardless of his activist, conservative, resume. He is, IMO, what he says he fears.
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posted on
12/19/2004 11:03:59 AM PST
by
mountainfolk
(God bless President George Bush)
To: lodwick
Chuck nails it dead, solid, perfect here. Bullseye!
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posted on
12/19/2004 11:23:53 AM PST
by
steve86
To: libertyman
No, that is the simple truth.
You apparently either want to help Moore and Clinton, or are incapable of thinking your actions through.
In neither case should real conservatives follow your suggestions.
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posted on
12/19/2004 11:37:09 AM PST
by
swilhelm73
(Dowd wrote that Kerry was defeated by a "jihad" of Christians...Finally – a jihad liberals oppose!)
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