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To: cyncooper; devolve; Max Combined; JustAnotherSavage
OK, cyncooper...if it is made up, would you then stipulate PUBLICLY to the following...

1) Our borders are INCREDIBLY and COMPLETELY porous, and our Gub'mint is NOT protecting them.

2) ALL ILLEGALS...from WHEREVER they may be from, should NOT get public assistance, funding, housing, emergency care, driver's licenses,access to AMERICAN schooling, social security, welfare, tax-breaks, in-state tution credits. They should be apprehended, processed, deproted, and PREVENTED from returning, so NO lottery draft or legal process...they skipped it, they lose the priviledge (Note: NOT A RIGHT) to emigrate to America!

3) ALL businesses AND private employers MUST turn in illegals working for them, as they are either a: Feloniously using a fraudulent Social Security #, or b:Working under the tabe.

4) ALL businesses and private employers MUST pay fines equal to 10 times the illegal's salary and taxable income, as well as ALL back social security and medicare costs, as well as a proportional fine for the number of ILLEGAL employees and the extent they knew about the illegality, as well as any legal costs for prosecution and deportation! Also, a second offense is Jail for minimum 5 years, and loss of business license!

5) The US Gub'mint must seal the borders from ANY illegal Infiltration...from ANY source! This means Canada, the Hawaiian docks...the Coastal docks...ALL Illegal Infiltration! (Note which border I did NOT explicity point out...hmm, guess I'm not a "racist")

Failure to agree to ANY of these sensible proposals, means that my statements are correct, and you are more interested in cheap labor than controlling ANY borders (and I would LOVE so see the song and dance as to why these ideas are wrong/bad, ect.).

If you do publicly agree with them then do so, and I will craft a flattering apology!

Balls in your court...

314 posted on 12/19/2004 3:11:34 PM PST by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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To: Itzlzha

Well, I was responding when my computer suffered the blue screen of death. I'm back but will have to re-compose. One moment, please.

LOL


323 posted on 12/19/2004 3:35:36 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: Itzlzha
1) Our borders are INCREDIBLY and COMPLETELY porous, and our Gub'mint is NOT protecting them.

I agree our borders are porous but I think the government is doing much more than they get credit for. As I mentioned earlier, we have family and friends who work border patrol so I am biased, so while I agree to a point and also agree more could be done, I don't agree it's "completely" and that it's being ignored.

2) ALL ILLEGALS...from WHEREVER they may be from, should NOT get public assistance, funding, housing, emergency care, driver's licenses,access to AMERICAN schooling, social security, welfare, tax-breaks, in-state tution credits. They should be apprehended, processed, deproted, and PREVENTED from returning, so NO lottery draft or legal process...they skipped it, they lose the priviledge (Note: NOT A RIGHT) to emigrate to America!

I agree and just voted for Proposition 200

3) ALL businesses AND private employers MUST turn in illegals working for them, as they are either a: Feloniously using a fraudulent Social Security #, or b:Working under the tabe.

Agreed.

4) ALL businesses and private employers MUST pay fines equal to 10 times the illegal's salary and taxable income, as well as ALL back social security and medicare costs, as well as a proportional fine for the number of ILLEGAL employees and the extent they knew about the illegality, as well as any legal costs for prosecution and deportation! Also, a second offense is Jail for minimum 5 years, and loss of business license!

Well, I'm not ready to sign on to the penalty, but I wouldn't dismiss the idea out of hand.

5) The US Gub'mint must seal the borders from ANY illegal Infiltration...from ANY source! This means Canada, the Hawaiian docks...the Coastal docks...ALL Illegal Infiltration! (Note which border I did NOT explicity point out...hmm, guess I'm not a "racist")

I am for guarding the borders and preventing illegals from entering. I'm not sure what you mean by "sealing" but enforcement I am all for.

Failure to agree to ANY of these sensible proposals, means that my statements are correct, and you are more interested in cheap labor than controlling ANY borders (and I would LOVE so see the song and dance as to why these ideas are wrong/bad, ect.).

I have never argued for cheap labor. Never. No amount of anyone insisting I'm for it will make it so. I simply do not agree with that pov.

330 posted on 12/19/2004 3:52:42 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: Itzlzha
I buy into the whole ball of wax. Well thought out and well written, Itzlzha.
341 posted on 12/19/2004 4:10:19 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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