Two county deputies shot, along with suspect (Two ARIZONA COPS shot by ILLEGAL ALIEN!!!)

East Valley Tribune ^ | 12/17/2004 | Kim Smith and Kristina Davis

[nanak]

Two Maricopa County sheriff's deputies were shot Thursday during the serving of a search warrant in east Mesa. A suspect was shot by a third deputy.

Deputy Sean Pearce, who is the son of Rep. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, was shot in the abdomen. He was flown to Maricopa Medical Center in Phoenix, where he underwent surgery to remove part of his large intestine. Deputy Lew Argetsinger was shot in the hand and taken by ambulance to the medical center. Both were stable.

The suspect, Jorge Luis Guerra Vargas, 22, was flown to Banner Good Samaritan Medical Center in Phoenix with nonlife-threatening facial injuries.

According to authorities, detectives with the Pinal County Sheriff's Office wanted to execute a search warrant at the mobile home of a homicide’s investigative lead, but asked Maricopa County SWAT team members to enter first to ensure their safety.

Lt. Dave Trombi said seven members of the team knocked on the door at 111 S. 91st Way at 6:35 a.m., announced their presence in English and Spanish, then broke through the door. They were a short distance inside when a subject opened fire.

Both deputies shot were wearing ballistic body armor, but Pearce was struck in an unprotected spot, Trombi said.

A third deputy returned fire on GuerraVargas, who was alone in the home, Trombi said.

Pinal County Sheriff's Office spokesman Mike Minter said detectives had hoped to obtain evidence pertaining to a recent homicide in Hewlitt Station, a community near Queen Valley.

A hunter called deputies Dec. 5 after he found a body with a gunshot wound to the head buried under a pile of scrap lumber, Minter said.

Investigators found fresh tire tracks on the scene, and the clue led authorities to the mobile home.

Esteban Soto, the investigative lead in the case, was found Thursday in New Mexico and is being detained for questioning there.

Deputies are still working to identify the body, which is described as a 20- to 25-year-old Hispanic male.

Pearce has been on the force for 11 years, Deputy Argetsinger for three years.

Rep. Pearce, said he was in Washington, D.C., testifying on an immigration panel when he was told his son had been shot.

"He is feisty. He will do well," he said. "I guarantee that the moment he is allowed back, he will put that uniform on and be out there doing police work."

Russell Pearce also was shot in the chest and hand in the line of duty about 20 years ago while chasing gang members in Guadalupe.

Efforts to contact Argetsinger's family were unsuccessful.

[Max Combined]

"Dane didn't post to the thread either."

Good catch, txdoda.

Did cyncooper post to that other thread or does her lack of a post on that thread prove that she is a racist?

[Once-Ler]

Do you favor absolutely unlimited immigration?

No. I favor an immigration policy that realistically meets the needs of labor. Once that policy is in place I favor tighter border control. In fact I am for tighter border control now as long as it is focused on terrorism and not immigration. I agree that the flow of illegals into the country makes it more difficult to catch terrorist who might sneak across the border. I also agree that their are many people who disagree with my opinion for reasons of law and security. Some of their points are valid but often not a major factor in the big picture.

My fear is that a faction of the anti-immigration crowd that is motivated by racism will succeed in convincing America to close the border before immigration reform. To them keeping Mexicans out is immigration reform. This is pointed out by their opposition to The National Intelligence Reform Act of 2004, which added border patrol and standardization for identification documents.

I believe if we fix the cause of illegal immigration, Our broken immigration quotas which leave Latinos little chance to enter the US without illegally entering, we will do a lot to reduce the flow of illegals.

If we only tighten up the border we make it more profitable for the smugglers, fake id makers, and sleazy exploitive employers.

If we only punish businesses who hire illegals we will succeed in hurting our economy and watching a stampede of 15 million people illegals flood Mexico. Then we will see bloody revolution in Mexico.

If we both tighten the border and punish business the effect could be synergistic. We must have a way of filling the labor needs of business or risk losing the business and the jobs.

If we can fix the immigration quotas first, tightening the border will be less costly as will investigating businesses who employ illegals.

You asked a serious question and I gave a serious answer. I appreciate a serious response.

[cyncooper]

Well, I was responding when my computer suffered the blue screen of death. I'm back but will have to re-compose. One moment, please.

LOL

[Dustbunny]

Almost all of us have immigrants in our background. I am first generation on one side and second generation on the other. I am also proud that my immigrant relatives came in legally via Ellis Island and learned to speak English as a first language. I am Proud to be an American and I know you are too.

[Once-Ler]

Ergo all illegals are all guilty and should all be punished.

You just reiterated my point. You just proved my statement. The funny thing is...you don't have a clue.

[Max Combined]

"Where in my posts---that one or any--do you get that I am for illegal immigration, nannies, gardners and the like?"

In your post #145, you write, "Long before I ever heard of George W. Bush I thought if Mexico's society could shift from two strata of poor or rich to having a sound middle class that was the solution to illegal immigration."

Since your solution to the problem of illegal immigration is to wait for a fairy tale to magically occur, one may reasonably infer that you are not serious about stopping illegal immigration.

Since you carry water for the open borders crowd when you chime in to call Travis McGee a racist without any evidence, one may reasonably infer that you are also in favor of open borders.

[investigateworld]

RE: Bloody Revolution in Mexico.
Ya, bring it on. Those poor people there have been cr@pped on for years. It's time for pay back. Via La Revolucion!!!!!

[Max Combined]

"Now, even the dunces preach others the necessity of furbished cerebrums."

Yes, and the rudest name callers decry rudeness. Good for a laugh, anyway.

[Max Combined]

"And I also didn't go hyperbolic as nanak did, with the phrase (Two ARIZONA COPS shot by illegal alien!!!) in a title"

There is nothing hyperbolic about the phrase Two ARIZONA COPS shot by illegal alien!!! For goodness sake, he even capitalized the words "ARIZONA COPS" and not the words "illegal alien", thus leaving a reasonable person to conclude that what was really important here was that two cops in Arizona were shot and it was only an afterthought and as an aid to those searching for articles about illegal aliens that the words illegal alien was even included.

[cyncooper]

1) Our borders are INCREDIBLY and COMPLETELY porous, and our Gub'mint is NOT protecting them.

I agree our borders are porous but I think the government is doing much more than they get credit for. As I mentioned earlier, we have family and friends who work border patrol so I am biased, so while I agree to a point and also agree more could be done, I don't agree it's "completely" and that it's being ignored.

2) ALL ILLEGALS...from WHEREVER they may be from, should NOT get public assistance, funding, housing, emergency care, driver's licenses,access to AMERICAN schooling, social security, welfare, tax-breaks, in-state tution credits. They should be apprehended, processed, deproted, and PREVENTED from returning, so NO lottery draft or legal process...they skipped it, they lose the priviledge (Note: NOT A RIGHT) to emigrate to America!

I agree and just voted for Proposition 200

3) ALL businesses AND private employers MUST turn in illegals working for them, as they are either a: Feloniously using a fraudulent Social Security #, or b:Working under the tabe.

Agreed.

4) ALL businesses and private employers MUST pay fines equal to 10 times the illegal's salary and taxable income, as well as ALL back social security and medicare costs, as well as a proportional fine for the number of ILLEGAL employees and the extent they knew about the illegality, as well as any legal costs for prosecution and deportation! Also, a second offense is Jail for minimum 5 years, and loss of business license!

Well, I'm not ready to sign on to the penalty, but I wouldn't dismiss the idea out of hand.

5) The US Gub'mint must seal the borders from ANY illegal Infiltration...from ANY source! This means Canada, the Hawaiian docks...the Coastal docks...ALL Illegal Infiltration! (Note which border I did NOT explicity point out...hmm, guess I'm not a "racist")

I am for guarding the borders and preventing illegals from entering. I'm not sure what you mean by "sealing" but enforcement I am all for.

Failure to agree to ANY of these sensible proposals, means that my statements are correct, and you are more interested in cheap labor than controlling ANY borders (and I would LOVE so see the song and dance as to why these ideas are wrong/bad, ect.).

I have never argued for cheap labor. Never. No amount of anyone insisting I'm for it will make it so. I simply do not agree with that pov.

[Max Combined]

"IOW, damn you nanak, STFU, you are just making those RINO Mexican lovers point."

No, IOW, it is no great achievement taking candy away from a baby.

cyncooper has the intellect of a baby, so Fatalis is handling her with kid gloves, like the gentleman and scholar he is.

[Travis McGee]

I've come to the conclusion that the RINOOBLs don't believe word one of they're argument that we're just a bunch of racists for wanting secure borders, and a return to the rule of law for ILLEGAL alien invaders.

I think they're 100% cynical, and are just using what they think is their best weapon to shut up those of us who want to defend our sovereign borders from invasion.

The only true motive I can detect is an insatiable demand to keep the dirt-cheap illegal alien labor pipleline running wide open.

That's all RINNOBLs care about. They would chain their grannies to machines to get cheaper labor costs, and increase quarterly profits.

The rest of their "you're a racist!!" spiel is just cynical banter. Too bad for them, it ain't working any more.

I'm quitting this thread, gotta do some other things. Ciao. Adios.

[Travis McGee]

THEIR argument. Yes, I do know the difference.

[Max Combined]

"Have you ever noticed the outrage at a crime committed by a parolee is often greater than if the same crime was perpetrated by a first time offender?"

Good point. I made the same point in my post #202 and referred to the Willie Horton ad and the outrage felt by people when learning of his crimes when he should have been behind bars.

Of course, Dane's fellow travelers in the Rat party and the MSM, all point to Horton's race as a reason not use the example and call the Republicans racists and bigots, just like Dane and his compatriots do on this thread.

[Fatalis]

No. I favor an immigration policy that realistically meets the needs of labor. Once that policy is in place I favor tighter border control. In fact I am for tighter border control now as long as it is focused on terrorism and not immigration.

Yet you posted this earlier (hence my question):

To: nanak

I say shut the borders and deport all illegals.

Sounds to me like you're saying "I got mine and the rest of the world can go the hell. Freedom is too precious to give to others. It's worth hoarding for ourselves."

34 posted on 12/18/2004 7:41:15 PM PST by Once-Ler ("He lives in Madison, WI. No wonder he thinks Bush is a conservative!")

Is that fair?

Would it be fair to say that you believe that you got yours "and the rest of the world can go the hell, freedom is too precious to give to others," since you don't favor absolutely unlimited immigration?

Probably not.

Clearly you favor immigration quotas at some level, and beyond that level there would be people whom you would exclude. You wrote:

If we can fix the immigration quotas first, tightening the border will be less costly as will investigating businesses who employ illegals.

Since there is a point at which you would cap annual immigration, and since there are far more people who'd like to come to our country than we can allow, you, like the rest of us, would prohibit most foreign nationals from entering the country. The rest is all details.

[txdoda]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1289825/posts

Here's the link.....sadly only 26 replies.....I guess *according to Dane* there must be many *racists* posters on FR.

(First time I recall the race card being played if you DIDN'T reply to a thread.)

[Max Combined]

"Why do you want to move the goalposts?"

Isn't it obvious that it is because he is a duplicitous fraud?

[Itzlzha]

OK, having read your reply...the only problem you had was
4) ALL businesses and private employers MUST pay fines equal to 10 times the illegal's salary and taxable income, as well as ALL back social security and medicare costs, as well as a proportional fine for the number of ILLEGAL employees and the extent they knew about the illegality, as well as any legal costs for prosecution and deportation! Also, a second offense is Jail for minimum 5 years, and loss of business license!

Well, I'm not ready to sign on to the penalty, but I wouldn't dismiss the idea out of hand.

Firstly, I am in no way taking any swipe at the men and women of the Border Patrol...I am here to help them, and remove the obstacles (PC Bureaucrats) that prevent them from doing their jobs...so please thank them for me for the work they are doing.

Now,as to your small disagreement...why do you not believe in a severe penalty for someone who hires knowingly Illegal Immigrants? If we make it seriously unprofitable and damn risky for someone NOT to employ anyone LEGALLY, it will almost eliminate the illegal worker problem, and SEVERELY curtail the cross-border illegal imigration, as there would be no work to get.

But, I will say that I am gladdened by your replies, and I do humbly offer my sincerest apologies to you. I seem to have gotten an incorrect assessment of your positions, and I apologize for my incorrect assaults on you, and any and all incorrect aspersion I have cast.

[cyncooper]

Well, thank you and there was no reason to apologize but it was very nice of you to offer friendly words and I appreciate them very much.

[Fatalis]

cyncooper has the intellect of a baby, so Fatalis is handling her with kid gloves, like the gentleman and scholar he is.

I haven't said that. All I've done is point out that it was wrong for her to attribute words to Travis McGee that he didn't post, just as it was wrong for others to do it to her.

To the charges of gentleman and scholor I plead not guilty. LOL