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To: js1138
Havoc's response was basically, no problem. He meets that standard. I don't think lurkers will have any trouble understanding that.

No havoc did not respond in that fashion. Havoc rejected your premise and noted that Science is often Wrong.. which flew right past you because you'd rather not dwell on the obvious. How often have we turned on the news to find out that what caused cancer yesterday is good for us today and cancer causing again tomorrow. How many times have we heard the reports of some new recommendation to diet that is later shown to be hazerdous to our health. O-rings on the shuttle costing lives. Foam in another instant (oh gee, we didn't realize the impact of a bunch of foam impacting a wing at high speeds.. Doh. One by one I can tick down my arm a list a mile long of where science has been consistantly and at this point predictably wrong. We all stopped listening to science's latest opinion of what's good for us - cause bottom line is, they're more clueless than we are as everyday human beings - belief systems aside. I can further tick down another list as long as my arm of people who proved scientific theories who for all intents and purposes may as well have done so on another planet for all the naysaying and badmouthing they recieved at the hands of the scientific community. All that said, the conclusion is opposite of your premise. One need not be smarter than anyone else in the community. All they need is dedication to task and method - something the community has largely lost. Einstein would have been an insignificant grease spot were it not for escaping the Germans. He did what most thought impossible and left most of the community scratching their heads trying to figure out what he said. That level of intelligence isn't common. That's the fun of science to some extent - watching the naysayers gain in volume with their rebukes right up till their butts are handed to them by the guy too stupid to be as smart as all of them. You might need a few history classes for some perspective on things.

624 posted on 12/20/2004 3:24:04 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Havoc

OOOh, ooh, I know! Money?


626 posted on 12/20/2004 3:25:29 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (Karenga says Kwanzaa is an "oppositional alternative" to Christianity - which he calls "spookism")
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To: Havoc
Here are my questions from #565. You could try to be specific about this by answering a few questions:

  1. How old is the earth, and in what way is the scientific estimate "not scientific"?
  2. Where did the water for the global flood come from and where did it go, and how are the scientific calculations on this subject "not scientific"?
  3. What exactly is a species, and how is science wrong in defining species?
  4. What is the biological barrier preventing variation from becoming speciation, and exactly how does this barrier function?
  5. Does selection occur ever? Has it been observed? If so, where does the information come from that makes selection work?
  6. How does the growth of a fertilized egg occur within the confines of the Second Law of Thermodynamics?

631 posted on 12/20/2004 3:30:18 PM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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