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To: Wallace T.
The conclusion that a hot stove will burn an unprotected hand contradicts no proposition of conservative Christianity or any other faith.

And what if it did? Would we require equal time in the schools for the Christian "unburning stove" theory?

The problem with macroevolution and even perhaps the old universe is that the hypotheses of mainstream science spill over into metaphysics.

Oh, well. You really only have two choices when your worldview conflicts with observable reality, not four - attempt to maintain your worldview in the face of the evidence by sticking your head in the sand, or revising your worldview to take the evidence into account. If you find physical reality incompatible with God, I submit that the problem is neither with God nor reality, but with your conception of one or both - God cannot be incompatible with reality, and so if there's a problem, it's your problem to solve as you will. Either you misunderstand God, or you misunderstand the universe, but in both cases, neither God nor the universe are affected in the slightest bit by your opinion or your politics or your metaphysics or your worldview. Next time try not to have a metaphysical worldview that is dependent on some aspect of the physical world that you don't fully understand, is my suggestion - then you never have to worry about conflicts between God and His creation.

617 posted on 12/20/2004 3:12:54 PM PST by general_re ("What's plausible to you is unimportant." - D'man)
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To: general_re
...neither God nor the universe are affected in the slightest bit by your opinion or your politics or your metaphysics or your worldview.

Agreed. Nor do yours or anyone else's opinion, etc., affect God or the universe.

As for "equal time in the schools," that is your problem, not mine. Education should be handled entirely in the private sector. But I digress.

You also err when it can be inferred that you believe that macroevolution is physical, observable reality. Many persons have observed caterpillars metamorphizing into butterflies. No one has observed a land mammal evolving into a whale. There is evidence that would support such a theory in the fossil record and even in DNA analysis, but there are also some problems with the theory, as the intelligent design advocates have pointed out. Scientific consensus changes over the years. Newtonian physics was the standard until the late 19th Century; since that time, certain propositions of that school have been refuted and are no longer accepted. Additionally, no one entirely "understands" God or the universe: conservative Christian or otherwise. This means you as well.

The fact that I accept the propositions of the Bible, in their historical and grammatical context and in light of authorial intent, as the ultimate truth has no bearing on my concept of God or the physical universe. I am sorry if your presuppositions give you consternation, however.

640 posted on 12/20/2004 3:47:15 PM PST by Wallace T.
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