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Tough Assignment: Teaching Evolution To Fundamentalists
Ft. Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 03 December 2004 | SHARON BEGLEY

Posted on 12/18/2004 5:56:30 PM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: shuckmaster
[How about "kinds" where variety A can interbreed with B, and B can interbreed with C, but A cannot interbreed with C?]

Can you give me an example? I'm learning while I lurk!

Here's one of the more striking examples, although there are many more mundane cases as well:

Technical papers:

Ring species as bridges between microevolution and speciation (the Greenish Warbler material starts about halfway in)

SONG VARIATION IN AN AVIAN RING SPECIES


941 posted on 12/21/2004 1:45:56 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Darwin, Huxley, Jung, Alfred Russel Wallace (co-creator of the evo theory, according to many) -- all of them gnostic mesmerists. They were the product of their times and their fruits are well known.

...and your point might be...?

942 posted on 12/21/2004 1:49:55 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
[Similarly, a feature being removed from the gene pool across generations due to the action of selective pressures is *still* "evolution", not "de-evolution".]

How very convenient of your personal thesaurus.

I have no "personal thesaurus". What exactly are you incoherently trying to say here?

Tell that to democrats.

I repeat the question.

943 posted on 12/21/2004 1:50:53 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: RadioAstronomer
Read something more than Jack Chick

Jack Chick knows more astronomy, cosomology, physics, chemistry, and biology than all you fancy scientists combined!

944 posted on 12/21/2004 2:03:50 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: RightWingNilla

A comic placemarker.


945 posted on 12/21/2004 2:08:19 PM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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Happy Lightbulb Day, everyone!

Tonight, being the darkest, longest night of the year, is the best night to go and see all the "Christmas" lights in your city. I think the tradition of Christmas lights has really caught on in America because it's symbolic of Man's rational minds building a world where December 21st doesn't have to be the darkest, dreariest, most miserable day of the year.

(It seems even more appropriate to celebrate the lightbulb up here in the Pacific NW, where the sun will set at 4:20 in the afternoon!)

After doing the tour of the lights, hubby & I will top off the evening at Krispy Kreme, which is symbolic of... um, well, I'm not sure about that part. :-)

946 posted on 12/21/2004 2:08:47 PM PST by jennyp (Latest creation/evolution news: http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: general_re; D Edmund Joaquin; Wallace T.
Wallace is known as the co-creator of the evolutionary theory, especially the concept of the survival of the fittest, a cornersone of evolution and all eugenics.

He sprung from the same gnostic, anti-God, theosophical, socialistic materialism which birthed many 19th century "thinkers."

When studying history as well as science, it's important to see the timeline and context clearly.

The money behind Darwin created Darwin, et al.

All mathematics is based upon mutually-agreed upon "givens" which cannot stand up to intense scrutiny without a handshake and a wink. It works to get airplanes in the air and it works to create aspirin to get rid of a headache.

But the deeper questions confound mathmematics and science just like they do the bushman in Africa and the first-grader in Peoria. They answer those questions with more numbers...endless numbers in endless mazes. And still they're only guessing; still they can't cure cancer or stop Africa from being destroyed or keep the earthquakes at bay or explain why Angelina Jolie represents UNICEF.

947 posted on 12/21/2004 2:31:18 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Ichneumon

"Could I get that in English?"

NO


"And the astute reader will note the large difference between the current version, wherein JMT asserts that "all he said" was that we are "obsessed with the flesh", and the original, "they are completely obsessed with their flesh". "

Either statement "obsessed with the flesh" or they are completely obsessed with their flesh". Pick either one.

Paranoid much?


No. Nice attempt.

"That's nice and all, but it fails to answer the question I posed. You wanted to see an evolutionist address a certain point you were interested in, and I'm trying to answer it, but I need clarification on what specifically you're asking about.

Once again, are you going to provide the clarification, or are you going to admit that you don't really want an answer after all? If the latter, are you going to stop complaining that "The E crowd never addresses this either they are completely obsessed with their flesh", since it's becoming apparent that you run away from honest attempts *to* address it?"


Here we go again, before I was insulting and now you question my honesty.

Why would I choose to discuss with you anything when you do the very things you accuse me of doing.



948 posted on 12/21/2004 2:32:38 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
And still they're only guessing; still they can't cure cancer or stop Africa from being destroyed or keep the earthquakes at bay or explain why Angelina Jolie represents UNICEF.

Is that your final answer or are you just nuts?

949 posted on 12/21/2004 2:39:08 PM PST by balrog666 (The invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike.)
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To: Just mythoughts
Why would I choose to discuss with you anything when you do the very things you accuse me of doing.

You waitin' for theme music or something?

950 posted on 12/21/2004 2:40:51 PM PST by balrog666 (The invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike.)
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To: stremba

"I would think that most biological scientists would be very interested in finding scientific evidence for the existence of the soul. It would probably lead to immense fame, Nobel prizes, wealth, etc."

LOL, By the way I have a relative in search of "immense fame," (not sure about the "Nobel prizes"), "wealth, etc.", we do not discuss the existence of the soul as he believes you live and you die. Belief in the existence of the soul would require him to live life with accountability to the Creator and life would not be as much fun. He calls that a crutch.

His pet name is the professional welfare beggar.


951 posted on 12/21/2004 2:42:06 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: balrog666

No.


952 posted on 12/21/2004 2:44:58 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: balrog666

"Festival of the Trolls who had too much Eggnog" placemarker


953 posted on 12/21/2004 2:50:19 PM PST by longshadow
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To: general_re
Too late - I've falsified the Big Bang theory. See, the blades on my lawnmower spin counterclockwise, whereas my toilet swirls clockwise. I'm sure the folks in Stockholm will be contacting me any day now with my flight and hotel information, but don't worry - I'll still remember all of you, the little people, once I'm famous for this...

BWAHAHAA! (in tears)!

The Nobel committee might want to have that toilet bronzed for posterity.

954 posted on 12/21/2004 2:51:02 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
See, that has nothing to do with the theory - it doesn't refute it, invalidate it, or even really comment on it. I realize that personal slanders and ad hominem attacks are pretty much the order of the day back there in the Religion forum, but you're out of the gutter now - try to elevate your discourse just a bit.
955 posted on 12/21/2004 3:04:31 PM PST by general_re ("What's plausible to you is unimportant." - D'man)
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To: atlaw

Hardly seems sporting, really...


956 posted on 12/21/2004 3:07:49 PM PST by general_re ("What's plausible to you is unimportant." - D'man)
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To: Just mythoughts
Why would I choose to discuss with you anything when you do the very things you accuse me of doing.

Because I'm still trying to discuss something of substance with you. Let me know if you are, or if you're just here for the banter and to slur people as "completely obsessed" and so on.

You earlier stated that you had never seen an evolutionist address a certain point. Now I'm beginning to see why -- when they try, you start questioning their motives, their mental state, and your own willingness to have a discussion.

Now, one more time -- do you want to discuss that point you raised, or are you just jacking me around?

957 posted on 12/21/2004 3:14:20 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: general_re
Pointing out that your claims about phsyics are wrong is not an ad hominem attack, but thank you for playing.

If you don't agree with my rants.....ad hominem!

958 posted on 12/21/2004 3:15:43 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; general_re; D Edmund Joaquin; Wallace T.
The money behind Darwin created Darwin, et al.

I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but this one isn't very good.

All mathematics is based upon mutually-agreed upon "givens" which cannot stand up to intense scrutiny without a handshake and a wink.

...and you've been smoking *what* today? That's the most bizarre description of "premise" I've ever seen. And, of course, it's quite incorrect.

It works to get airplanes in the air and it works to create aspirin to get rid of a headache.

...thus indicating that it's based on more than just "mutual agreement" that "cannot stand up to intense scrutiny"... It stands up to reality -- the most intense form of scrutiny there is.

But the deeper questions confound mathmematics and science just like they do the bushman in Africa and the first-grader in Peoria.

"Just like"? Hardly. Is English your first language?

They answer those questions with more numbers...endless numbers in endless mazes.

Apparently not...

And still they're only guessing; still they can't cure cancer

Sure they can -- just not every single time. You don't read much, do you?

959 posted on 12/21/2004 3:21:38 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: longshadow
"Festival of the Conservation of Belligerent Ignorance"

This thread is a veritable clinic on snake-handling. yeesh!

960 posted on 12/21/2004 3:21:58 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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