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A Little Fidel in Caracas
The Los Angeles Times ^ | Dec. 18, 2004 | Editorial Leader

Posted on 12/18/2004 6:22:34 AM PST by Kitten Festival

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To: BobL

Okay bob.

I am a communist blah blah blah

Someone disagrees with you so lets call them names.

Congratulations you are in kindergarten again.


21 posted on 12/18/2004 8:51:35 AM PST by kingsurfer
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To: kingsurfer

You don't get stability from clowns like Chavez, anymore than we stability from Ortega.

You get insurrections in neighboring countries, and a huge mess to deal with.

But I do agree that we won't be invading. A functional CIA should be able to do the trick (thank goodness we have Porter), just as it did in Chile.


22 posted on 12/18/2004 8:51:56 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

They have already tried that and failed.

Nothing wil be ahppening until after the next US election and even then it will depend on how chavez acts and who is in the whitehouse.


23 posted on 12/18/2004 8:52:57 AM PST by kingsurfer
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To: kingsurfer

No - I didn't call you a communist. I don't know what you are, and I don't care. You're the one with the deception, trying to distance yourself from Clinton to add credibility to your arguments.

I'm just saying that you cannot have it both ways, and it's our turn now. We have the power and we will protect America.


24 posted on 12/18/2004 8:54:09 AM PST by BobL
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I am british I have nothing to do with clinton.

I simply do not agree with this view of venezuela.


25 posted on 12/18/2004 8:55:31 AM PST by kingsurfer
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To: Kitten Festival
Can you believe the LA TIMES ran an item like this?


26 posted on 12/18/2004 9:04:33 AM PST by Libertarian444
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To: kingsurfer
"I am british..."

Sorry - socialist (just kidding).

Seriously, I don't know what's with you guys (and I mean this more towards the continent than Britain). It's like a death wish or something. I get the impression that Europeans see themselves as the classic case of a young boy who's father is a cop. You behave as if you can get away with anything, because there's bid daddy (USA) ready to bail you out. Europe, to a large extent, certainly did that during the Cold War. It's tough and expensive for us over here to keep doing that, but we do it because it is in our interest. However, you guys have a Muslim nightmare that dwarfs anything in South America - and we can't help you there. You need to step up to it.
27 posted on 12/18/2004 9:06:35 AM PST by BobL
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To: kingsurfer

**The only people complaining are the ones with the must to lose, the very people that have been screwing the poor of venezuela for decades.**

I suspect the support of the poor is great and short term some quality of life has improved. On the other hand, the Communists and Fascists and Islamics all pandered to the poor at the beginnings but the long run effects in negative for the country.

The main difference between the Revolutions and political changes in England and America vrs the Revolutions in France, Russia and other places like Peron in Argentina is that fear of the Mob (or the Poor) caused the USA and England to put checks and balances in the use of power and that more respectible and stable middle classes vrs the mob ran the show.

If our Founding Fathers had given everyone the vote in 1776 we would no longer be a Republic but a dictatorship. By restricting the vote to male property owners at the time the country did more to promote economic growth and freedom than if we had concentrated on providing the needs of the "poor".


28 posted on 12/18/2004 10:39:47 AM PST by Swiss
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