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To: pbrown
From the Center for Military Readiness website FAQ: (This group supports and applauds women in the military but not in frontline combat roles):

Physical Capabilities>

Q: Since modern combat is more “high-tech,” why can’t women handle it?

A: In close combat environments, which fit the definition above, physical capabilities are as important as ever. Equipment and survival gear carried by today’s combat soldiers, including electronic weapons and ammunition, satellite communication devices, batteries, and water weigh 50-100 pounds—a burden that is just as heavy as loads carried by Roman legionnaires in the days of Julius Caesar.

Modern body armor alone weighs 25 pounds. This weight is proportionately more difficult to carry by female soldiers who are, on average, shorter and smaller than men, with 45-50% less upper body strength and 25-30% less aerobic capacity, which is essential for endurance. Even in current non-combat training, women suffer debilitating bone stress fractures and other injuries at rates double those of men.

To summarize an enormous body of well-documented evidence produced by physiologists in the U.S. and Britain, in close combat women do not have an “equal opportunity” to survive, or to help fellow soldiers survive.

Opportunity vs. Obligation

Q: But if women can do the job, why shouldn’t they be given the opportunity?

A: Every attempt since the 1970s to establish single standards for men and women, commensurate with the demands of actual combat, has been discontinued or rendered meaningless due to political pressures from feminists and allies who demand that standards be adjusted, or gender-normed, so that female trainees can “succeed.” In various types of training, “equal effort” is equated with “equal results,” and group evaluations substitute for individual achievement scores. In some forms of physical training events that are more difficult for women are dropped in order to make training more “fair.” The resulting regimen is described as “equal” between men and women, even though it is less demanding for the men.

Only a few female trainees are able to perform in physically demanding events at the same levels as average males, but policies must be based on the majority of average soldiers, not the exceptional few.

There is more to be found and to educate yourself at the Center for Military Readiness - explore and learn.

121 posted on 12/18/2004 5:21:12 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Pres Bush to Chilean Security stopping Agent: "He's with me." And, Mr. President, we're with YOU!)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt; 506trooper; pbrown; Steel Wolf; dvwjr; SoCal Pubbie; wardaddy; Tailgunner Joe
pbrown, you made quite a few statements which were, while passionate, based on emotion and the sensibility that "equality" should trump considerations of combat readiness. The other addressees asked some very specific questions, which you either refused to answer directly and/or accused the author of misogynistic intent. Out of curiosity, are you able to answer any of their questions with facts?

One last note:

Race and Sex in the Military

"...But that's the same military rope-a-dope about not lowering standards to accommodate women. Let's look at it.

The "USMA report on the Integration and Performance of Women at West Point", cited by Mackubin Thomas Owens, in Proceedings (July 1998) reveals sex-norming schemes whereby women receive A grades for the same performance that earns a man a D. Navy women pass physical readiness tests by performing 11% fewer sit-ups, 53% fewer push-ups, and running 1.5 miles 27% slower than men. The Marine Corps discovered that only 45% of female Marines could toss a hand grenade beyond its burst radius; one Army study reported only 12% could. Navy studies show that only 12% of women can accomplish the two-person stretcher carry, a requirement critical to ship security. Women may be able to drive a five-ton truck, but need a man's help if they must change a tire. Women can fire field artillery pieces but often can't handle the ammunition...That's the kind of stupid thinking that ignores important physical and psychological sex differences and has compromised our military readiness. A partial listing of those differences include: the average female soldier is five inches shorter than her male counter-part, has half the upper body strength, has significantly lower aerobic capacity (at her physical peak, ages 20 to 30, the average woman has the aerobic capacity of a 50-year-old male), and 37% less muscle mass. Women have a much lighter skeleton that means, among other things, she can't pull G forces as well as men and is at greater risk of skeletal injuries.

Women soldiers are four times more likely to report ill. The percentage of women being medically non-available at any time is twice that of male soldiers. Then there's pregnancy. Each year, between 10 and 17 percent of servicewomen become pregnant. In certain posts the rate is higher. In 1988, James Webb, Secretary of the Navy, said 51% of single Air Force and 48% of single Navy women stationed in Iceland were pregnant. During troop deployment in Bosnia, between December 1995 and July 1996, a woman had to be evacuated due to pregnancy every three days. These and other factors mean that women suffer a higher rate of attrition than men and because of the turnover they are not as profitable training investments."

Walter E. Williams
October 1, 1998

http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/98/military.htm

The above are facts. Not a compendium of statements based on emotion and justified as a response to a horribly chauvinistic society. Simply facts. Facts which corroborate the statements made to you regarding the folly of women in combat. I'm curious to see if you can explain how the above FACTS support your argument that women are just as capable as men of fighting?
149 posted on 12/19/2004 12:37:22 AM PST by huac
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