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Rumsfeld to personally sign all condolence letters (includes statement by Rumsfeld)
Stars and Stripes ^ | December 17, 2004 | Leo Shane III,

Posted on 12/17/2004 5:12:06 PM PST by Former Military Chick

WASHINGTON — Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld will begin personally signing condolence letters sent to families of troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, after receiving criticism over his use of mechanical signatures.

In a statement provided to Stars and Stripes on Thursday, Rumsfeld tacitly admitted that in the past he has not personally signed the letters, but said he was responsible for writing and approving each of the 1,000-plus messages sent to the fallen soldiers’ families.

“I have directed that in the future I sign each letter,” he said in the statement.

“I am deeply grateful for the many letters I have received from the families of those who have been killed in the service of our country, and I recognize and honor their personal loss.”

In a separate statement, Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said, “In the interest of ensuring timely contact with grieving family members, he has not individually signed each letter.”

Department of Defense officials for the past few weeks had said only that the content of the letters was private.

But several families of troops killed overseas said they were sure the notes they received had not been signed by hand, and said they were angry that Rumsfeld was not paying attention to their loss.

“To me it’s an insult, not only as someone who lost a loved one but also as someone who served in Iraq,” Army Spc. Ivan Medina told Stripes.

“This doesn’t show our families the respect they deserve,” said Medina, a New York resident whose twin brother, Irving, was killed in a roadside bombing in Iraq this summer.

Illinois resident Bette Sullivan, whose son John was killed in November 2003 while working as an Army mechanic in Iraq, was incensed when she, her son’s wife and her grandchildren received the exact same condolence letter with the apparently stamped signature.

“If each family receives two copies, how many signatures does that amount to?” she asked in an e-mail response to Stripes. “I can understand the use of stamped signatures for his brothers’ mementos, but for those of his wife and children and mother? No, no, no.”

Retired Army Col. David Hackworth, an author and frequent critic of the Department of Defense, publicly criticized Rumsfeld in a syndicated column earlier this month for not reviewing each KIA letter personally.

He called the fake signatures “like having it signed by a monkey.”

“Using those machines is pretty common, but it shouldn’t be in cases of those who have died in action,” he said. “How can [DOD officials] feel the emotional impact of that loss if they’re not even looking at the letters?”

Hackworth said he objected to using the stamped signatures for promotion and commendation letters as well, but said not personally handling the condolence letters is a much more serious offense.

Family members had expressed similar concerns to Stripes about President Bush’s signature on his condolence letters, but Allen Abney, spokesman for the president, said that Bush does personally sign the letters sent from the White House.

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Secretary Rumsfeld's statement

Statement by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld on condolences to servicemembers and their loved ones, as provided to Stars and Stripes:

“It is a solemn privilege of the many of us in the Department to meet with U.S. forces and families who have experienced injury or death in the defense of our country.

“During visits with wounded forces and their families at Walter Reed Army Hospital or at the Bethesda Naval Medical Center, I have drawn inspiration from the dignity and resolve of these wonderful young Americans and their loved ones.

“Over the past years, my wife, Joyce, and I have met with several hundred wounded troops and their families during visits to intensive care units, therapy facilities, and their rooms in military hospitals in the United States and abroad.

“During visits to military installations, I have met with still others during their visits to the Pentagon.

“Joyce and I also have met together and individually with spouses and children of those killed in action.

“At the earliest moment in the global war on terror, I determined that it is important that military families who have lost loved ones in hostile actions receive a letter from me directly.

“I wrote and approved the now more than 1000 letters sent to family members and next of kin of each of the servicemen and women killed in military action. While I have not individually signed each one, in the interest of ensuring expeditious contact with grieving family members, I have directed that in the future I sign each letter.

“I am deeply grateful for the many letters I have received from the families of those who have been killed in the service of our country, and I recognize and honor their personal loss.”


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To: AndyJackson

We are still fighting the war are we not? That is the problem.


61 posted on 12/19/2004 4:51:11 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: hansel
everyone always got a letter signed with an autopen

That is how all "routine" official correspondence is signed. The Secretary's or President's personal signature is reserved for those things that he personally drafts and signs himself. Personnel matters are not generally among those things.

62 posted on 12/19/2004 4:51:45 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Destro
You occupy when you have boots on teh ground not when a formal surrender takes plac

You are not an occupying power until you have the formal surrender from the other side. Until then you are merely an invader. That is international law you consumate stupid ass.

63 posted on 12/19/2004 4:53:25 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson; David1
David1 said: The military's job was set out to go out and destroy the enemy. Not start stopping people stealing lamps and tires. ,br>To which you replied That is an outright incorrect statement. get the prize for being the dumbest idiot on this form. Destroying the enemy is exactly what the military's job is. Until his ability and will to fight are overcome there is nothing else.

Stir and swallow down what is left of your intelligence and pride:

Article 42 of the Annex to the 1907 Hague Convention IV Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land [2] affirms: “Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends...where such authority has been established and can be exercised.” As recognized in a U.S. Army text addressing this provision, “Article 42...emphasizes the primacy of FACT as the test of whether or not occupation exists.” [3] The Army text adds: “Article 43 of the Hague Regulations continues the theme of the traditional law with its provision for a clear transfer of authority: ‘The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant....’” [4]

Generally, the responsibility of the United States to restore law and order and public life in areas under effective control of its military is reflected in Article 43 of the Annex to the Hague Convention of 1907, which requires that the occupying power “shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.” [11]

64 posted on 12/19/2004 4:55:03 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
We are still fighting the war are we not? That is the problem.

Well, please make up your mind. If we are still fighting the war because there is still a significant armed opposition to our presence, then we have not established the prerequisites to impose our mandate on the country so we are not the occupying power, but merely a power contending for that role.

65 posted on 12/19/2004 5:01:00 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
Article 42 of the Annex to the 1907 Hague Convention IV Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land [2] affirms: “Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.

When we took a town - we were the occupying power. Our authority and responsibility as such began right there and then.

The resistance came much later - because of incompetence by Rumsfeld.

66 posted on 12/19/2004 5:04:41 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: AndyJackson

" Until the insurgents have been supressed we are merely a combatant in country and not an occupier."

What rubbish. Why do so many on this forum have such a problem with distinguishing between a conventional war against a nation state, and a guerilla war. When we launched the invasion against Iraq we were in a conventional war against a soverign government. Saddam's regime was crushed. His army and its command structure is disbanded. The US sponsored administration now owns the instruments of state. Conventional war over. We are now in a guerilla war against a rag bag of many disparate groups, some better organised than others. Broadly they are in three groups; Digruntled Ba'athists (remenants of the old state who cannot stand what they have lost), some islamofascists (bring it on, better they fight there than over here) and some old fashioned good for nothing opportunistic bandits. Maintaining law and order is key to winning a guerilla war. Without law and order there will be no respect for the new instruments of state (Iraqi police, army, courts etc). Clearly, defeating the insurgents is number one priority. However, without helping the new Iraqi administration get the rest of civil society in order on the 'normal law and order' side, the insurgents will thrive and recruit. Loose sight of that, you loose the war.

Historically soldiers and always understood that you have to fight in both types of war, and you fight in two different ways. From before the Romans to Vietnam. I think in the 70s and 80s so much focus was on a military preparing for the big war against the USSR that the thinking about how you fight guerilla wars was put down the list. I imagine it has gone right back up the list now!

We (the UK) had this dillema for many, many years in Northern Ireland. There are no quick solutions.


67 posted on 12/19/2004 5:22:03 PM PST by Brit_Guy
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To: AndyJackson

" Until the insurgents have been supressed we are merely a combatant in country and not an occupier."

What rubbish. Why do so many on this forum have such a problem with distinguishing between a conventional war against a nation state, and a guerilla war. When we launched the invasion against Iraq we were in a conventional war against a soverign government. Saddam's regime was crushed. His army and its command structure is disbanded. The US sponsored administration now owns the instruments of state. Conventional war over. We are now in a guerilla war against a rag bag of many disparate groups, some better organised than others. Broadly they are in three groups; Digruntled Ba'athists (remenants of the old state who cannot stand what they have lost), some islamofascists (bring it on, better they fight there than over here) and some old fashioned good for nothing opportunistic bandits. Maintaining law and order is key to winning a guerilla war. Without law and order there will be no respect for the new instruments of state (Iraqi police, army, courts etc). Clearly, defeating the insurgents is number one priority. However, without helping the new Iraqi administration get the rest of civil society in order on the 'normal law and order' side, the insurgents will thrive and recruit. Loose sight of that, you loose the war.

Historically soldiers and always understood that you have to fight in both types of war, and you fight in two different ways. From before the Romans to Vietnam. I think in the 70s and 80s so much focus was on a military preparing for the big war against the USSR that the thinking about how you fight guerilla wars was put down the list. I imagine it has gone right back up the list now!

We (the UK) had this dillema for many, many years in Northern Ireland. There are no quick solutions.


68 posted on 12/19/2004 5:23:07 PM PST by Brit_Guy
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To: Brit_Guy

Sorry for posting the above twice!


69 posted on 12/19/2004 5:23:44 PM PST by Brit_Guy
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To: Brit_Guy
There is a phenomenon here lately of hero or celebrity worship. This is the first time a SoDefense or any cabinet member has ever had a cheering section, fan club. The reason has to with talk radio which creates such things because they need something to talk about and what gets people listening is an us vs them rhetoric.

It may have always been the case I just notice it to the extreme now.

Lincoln fired many a general before he got to Grant.

70 posted on 12/19/2004 5:42:54 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Brit_Guy
Why do so many on this forum have such a problem with distinguishing between a conventional war against a nation state, and a guerilla war.

You seem to have tripped on your own sword.

71 posted on 12/19/2004 5:50:23 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Destro
There is a phenomenon here lately of hero or celebrity worship

Rumsfeld has to fight dead-enders in Iraq and dead-enders here in the US. It sounds like you are one of the guys made "redundant" by the new rules of war, and yes war has changed radically since the fusion of real time intelligence situational awareness and precision strike.

72 posted on 12/19/2004 5:55:14 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Former Military Chick
What does this say about the character of this man?

You're piling on Rumsfeld too?

This is the most ridiculous thing to get incensed over I've seen yet.

73 posted on 12/19/2004 5:56:30 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: AndyJackson

There are no new rules of war.


74 posted on 12/19/2004 6:02:24 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Former Military Chick
What does this say about the character of this man?

Not a damn thing. Rumsfeld is the best SECDEF this country has ever had. Period.

75 posted on 12/19/2004 6:04:48 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Destro
Hackworth was acombat grunt - perfumed prince means you mostly have a desk job.

Lots of said princes started out in the infantry. I don't know if you've seen Hack lately, dressed up like a French poet, complete with black turtleneck and wire glasses. I'd say he's been soaking in perfume for well over a decade now.

Much respect for his time spent on the line. No respect for his ego driven descent into absurdity.

76 posted on 12/19/2004 6:13:59 PM PST by Steel Wolf (Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. Mark it zero, Dude.)
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To: Former Military Chick
What does this say about the character of this man?

Nothing. The Secretaries of Defense, or War, have not traditionally written these letters. It's been the duty of the unit commander to do so, since he was there and had personal knowledge of said event. Rummy was doing more than customary, and now he's being roasted for it. Ironically, had he done less, there would be no call for complaint.

77 posted on 12/19/2004 6:16:50 PM PST by Steel Wolf (Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. Mark it zero, Dude.)
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To: Destro
There are no new rules of war

Bwahahaaa!!!!! Now I know you are a dead-ender.

78 posted on 12/19/2004 6:35:50 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Pukin Dog
Rumsfeld is the best SECDEF this country has ever had. Period.

Why is it that so few folks around here can get this point. Some are obvious dead-enders like ol' Destro a few posts back.

79 posted on 12/19/2004 6:39:50 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Destro
Good evening.

And here I always thought a perfumed prince was a prissy political animal being groomed for advancement. Thanks for setting me straight.

Weasley Clarke was a combat grunt but he was also a perfumed prince who thought himself superior to his contemporaries, even superior those of higher rank.

Michael Frazier
80 posted on 12/19/2004 7:02:56 PM PST by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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