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To: phil_will1
You call that VOLUNTARY? Where everyone gets assessed a fixed amount? You have to be joking.

No, I never said anything about voluntary ... the tortured definition of voluntary is being offered by others about the so-called FAIR tax.

As for my flat tax proposal, why shouldn't everyone pay an equal share in taxes? Note I said nothing about income. My really radical proposal is to scale the Federal government back to it's original powers, primarily national defense, and any other enumerated powers the states see fit to centralize. Then really honor "all men are created equal" and tag everyone with an equal share of the burden. This will quickly bring about the scaling back! Why not?

162 posted on 12/17/2004 8:31:49 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: NonValueAdded

My really radical proposal is to scale the Federal government back to it's original powers, primarily national defense, and any other enumerated powers the states see fit to centralize.

One slight problem:

 


TAXES

 

100years of history under the income tax makes it clear that we will not get there (smaller government) from here (the income tax).

 

The Honorable James DeMint (R-SC)
United States House of Representatives
APRIL 5, 2001

Guess where we are at

 

Walter Williams, World Net Daily, 10-25-2000

According to the most recent U.S. Treasury Department figures, in 1997 the top 1 percent of income-earners (those with income of $250,000 and higher) paid 33 percent of all federal income taxes. The top 5 percent of income-earners ($108,000 and over) paid 52 percent, and the top 50 percent ($36,000 and over) paid 96 percent of income taxes. Guess what the bottom 50 percent of income earners paid?

If you're among those who pay little or no federal income taxes, what do you care about tax cuts? Moreover, if you think tax cuts pose a threat to government handout programs, you might be openly hostile and support Al Gore's silly "risky scheme" talk. So many Americans paying little or no federal taxes makes for a natural spending constituency. It's like me in the restaurant: What do I care about extravagance if you're footing the bill?

 

What is the step you need to get from here

70% of the voting public clamor for more from government looking for the top 40% of income earners/producers to foot the bill.

To there:

23%........... Effective total federal tax rate with respect to gross expenditure for consumption:

15% ..... rate if Social Security and Medicare were eliminated
14% .......... rate if Nat'l Endowment for the Arts were eliminated
12%........ rate if Dept. of Education were eliminated
10%.......... rate if welfare & foreign aid were eliminated
etc.

So lets look at what the maximum it would take to fund those functions clearly authorized under Article I Section 8 of the Constitution, in current dollars:

http://w3.access.gpo.gov/usbudget/fy2001/guide02.html#Spending

Institute an across the board, Flat rate, single stage National Retail Sales Tax, which taxes all imports and domestic products with the same rate.

Replacing all current federal tax law with a retail sales tax would be 23% on new goods and services paid and receipted at the retail register. No hidden tax, no exceptions, exemptions everyone participates.

Such a tax acts in a natural manner to encourage the elimination of excess government functions through visibility of burden among all constituencies of the electorate.

The total federal government budget would move from $2,000 billions towards something less than $580 billions calculated.

The across the board federal tax rate on new goods and services would decline towards less than 6.7%.

As tax rate on sales decreases the economic burden on retail items, the sales volumes and growth in the economy would be tremendous allowing even further reductions in tax rates below that less than 6.7% theoretic level.

That is what I perceive as the ultimate achievements possible under a National Retail Sales Tax structured in the manner of the revenue bill H.R.25. Simple common sense applied to the principal of TANSTAFFEL,( no free lunch, everyone participates in paying their way in proportion to the benefit the extract from their consumption.) encourages the natural change in attitudes required of the electorate as regards the burden of government largess in their lives.

Thomas Hobbes from Leviathan

Hmmmmmm....... It's do able, with time and effort, once the blinders are removed from the electorate.

164 posted on 12/17/2004 10:35:21 PM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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