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To: Monti Cello
So you are basing your claims on yet-to-be-published research you haven't seen, which will support a paper which has been debunked and 'beyond a shadow of a doubt', all while posting to an article which refutes your claims in the first place, and after accusing others of unscientific advocacy, and high-handedly warning others to prepare for a paradigm shift.

Claims that the paper (referring to only one of several papers by one group led by Dr. Michael Mann, and totally missing the fact that other millenial-scale climate reconstructions have been published showing the same climate patterns!) has been "debunked" are in error. The article that led off this thread doesn't refute the basic hockey stick pattern -- I posted an earlier response to it, which you might like to read. Basically it posits that there was a warm period in that region. The Southern Hemisphere's warmest period was 200 years later, when the Northern Hemisphere was entering the first stages of the "Little Ice Age".

As for the papers that are soon to be published, let's just wait until they're published, and then I'll put crow on the dinner menu. We can decide then who'll serve it and who's going to chow down.

91 posted on 12/20/2004 9:00:54 AM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator

You are an advocate in this debate, while you deride others for such. How else am I to take your boast that you plan on serving up crow based on publications you have not even inspected? That is not a scientific or evenhanded approach. You have made your stand on this research before having seen it. Your posting on this topic is more consistent with someone on a personal mission, rather than someone who is interested in the truth wherever it leads. And your habit of trash-talking those who contradict you tends to undermine what points you may have.


93 posted on 12/20/2004 9:38:00 AM PST by Monti Cello
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